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 Posted 04/07/2015  6:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I´m pleased to present you my...
Hannibalianus.

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Now a comparison...

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Yes, it´s possible!
Looking for a good coin in an awfull lot sometimes works!

Price paid: 5 €

Seller reaction:
Edited by Athalbert
04/07/2015 6:39 pm
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 Posted 04/07/2015  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hannibalianus (AD 335-337).
Æ follis.
Constantinople, 2nd officina, ca. AD 336-337.
Obv: FL HANNIBALIANO REGI, draped and cuirassed bust right.
Rev: SE-CURITAS PVBLICA, Euphrates reclining right, leaning on scepter; urn at side; reed in background.
RIC 147. LRBC 1036.
(the following text is extracted from a Heritage Auction description) "The position of young Flavius Claudius Hannibalianus in the succession arrangements of Constantine I the Great (AD 306-337) remains obscure and mysterious. Rather oddly named in honor of Hannibal, one of Rome's greatest enemies, Hannibalianus was the son of Constantine's half-brother and thus the great Emperor's nephew. In AD 335 he was included in an elaborate five-way succession scheme along with his brother Delmatius and the three surviving sons of Constantine, who were all named Caesar. Hannibalianus, however, received a very different title-- Rex Regum et Pontiacarum Gentium, or "King of Kings and of the Pontic Peoples." Constantine apparently foresaw Hannibalianus as the eventual ruler of territories beyond the formal boundaries of the Empire, including the vast Sasanian Persian kingdom then ruled by Shapur II (AD 309-379). Indeed, Constantine spent his last years preparing a massive campaign against the Persians, but fell ill and died in May of AD 337, before it could be launched. The five-way succession scheme abruptly collapsed as Constantine's three sons seized control of the army and ordered the executions of their cousins. Coins of Hannibalianus were struck only at Constantinople and remain the only pieces struck to give the title "king" (REGI) to a Roman ruler. The reverse type, a reclining personification of the River Euphrates, supports the view that Constantine's eventual aim was to invade the Sasanian Persian Kingdom and install Hannibalianus at its head, thus ending the centuries-old conflict between East and West."
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 Posted 04/07/2015  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cool find and nice post A...another guy that is on my list.

i did pick up a delmatius in an uncleaned lot a year back or so.

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04/07/2015 7:34 pm
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 Posted 04/07/2015  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainyesterday555 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations on the nice finds.
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 Posted 04/07/2015  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple of my own sweet deals from sellers who didn't know any better.

Seller correctly attributed as Domitian but failed to notice the significance of the XLII (42 nummi) countermark on the obverse. Some early imperial bronzes were redenominated four and a half centuries later under the Ostrogothic Kingdom in Italy. Worse examples usually go for $200-300 or more. I got mine at $50:

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Found this Johannes in a lot of mostly Byzantines. Final price divided I ended up paying $5 for it:

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Edited by VisigothKing
04/07/2015 8:09 pm
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 Posted 04/07/2015  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! excellent find. I'm not that lucky. Goes to show there are still rare finds out there.
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 Posted 04/07/2015  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuy1530 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Athalbert: Very nice pick up. Especially with that clear of a bust visible, it's a decent coin for any emperor of the era but a really nice one for who it is of.

VK, I'd love to pick on one of the redenominated coins some day. I love the history that coins hold and those hold twice the history :).
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 Posted 04/07/2015  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bravo! Well spotted
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 Posted 04/08/2015  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Athalbert, is that how the coin looked as you found it or after you cleaned it up? You must have gotten a bit of a jolt when you realized what it is. Congrats!


BTW did you already have one?
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04/08/2015 12:25 am
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 Posted 04/08/2015  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have made an initial cleaning only.
The coin had more sand on the obverse, the obverse legend was not readable at all.
I must say that the coin provides from "Morcillom", a dealer and friend who usually show me the virgin lots before selling.
In Spain we say that "Love is paid with love", so I do for him the following: I make the photo treatment and attribution of the lots that he´s starting to sell in the USA. In return, I have received at this moment about 50 coins free or at cost price...
Discounting beers and coffees of course...
Ah! He carries me personally the coins that I won in his ebay...
He lives a few kilometers from me...
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 Posted 04/08/2015  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suppose that it might be called: "Numismatic Simbiosis"
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 Posted 04/09/2015  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baltas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very good coins! Congrats!

My best buy was this Constantine II.


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Price is around 3 $
Rarity is R5
I don't know the value. What do you think?
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 Posted 04/11/2015  03:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulation on that interesting find. A Hannibalianus no less, and in nice condition.
It sounds like you have a nice relationship with your dealer friend, and I am sure he appreciates the help you offer him as well.
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 Posted 04/11/2015  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I think so...
In this small and "sinner" island there are few coin collector, and a fewer number of ancient coin collectors...
We have a lot of things in common, and is a good thing having a person to talk about your hobbies.
Visigothking, your "Domitian Plus" is fascinating...
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