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1855 Hamburg Schilling

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Came across this today, did some studying and came to find it is (I believe) a German State schilling from Hamburg. It's simplicity stood out to me as very appealing. Seems to have some nice detail, if any one could help me out with grading I'd appreciate it very much. Just wondering, is my identification correct?

Thanks for looking!

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 Posted 04/10/2015  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ID OK.

From the pictures, I can't see any wear on this one; has to be some sort unculated grade. Held back a bit by blotchy patination. You can get that with old billon coins.
Choice uncirculated, = MS62.
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 Posted 04/10/2015  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pytellc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! Is this coin not silver? NGC price guide mentioned a measly ASW of .0130.
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Mostly copper. .375 fine silver.
Billon is an alloy of less than 50% silver.
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Yes, it's an 1855A Hamburg Schilling. It has a lower mintage than the no mintmark variety, but has approximately the same value. These are some of the more affordable/common German States coins from the time period.

In terms of grading, I would grade it as a vorzgulich/stempelglanz.

Here is a lot of 2 that just sold listed at vz/st for 14-15 dollars each. Yours might have a little better surface preservation than those, but the speckled surfaces on the reverse are not that desirable. I would need to see more luster on the raised surfaces and cleaner fields for it to be fast stempelglanz or bankfrisch.
http://www1.wago-auktionen.de/losde...nr=819&rid=6

The German grading scales translate roughly as vorzgulich = ~AU53-55, vorzgulich/stempelglanz = ~AU58, stempelglanz = ~MS65, fast stempelglanz = ~MS63. German grading tends to emphasize eye appeal and coloring more than the sheldon scale, whereas the sheldon scale is almost completely surface preservation. So it's not always a 1 to 1 translation. I mention this because German coin values on the market don't always scale exactly with the sheldon scale when you look at prices, and you could argue that their grading is closer to what we call market grading. The term market grading is often a derogatory term in the US, but it isn't for me.
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...here is my recently acquired 1855 Hamburg Schilling.

Almost a twin of Pytellc's Schilling

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