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What If Cash Is Abolished?

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Would collection values go up or down?

Citi Economist Says It Might Be Time to Abolish Cash
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...abolish-cash
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I believe it would have to happen world-wide to work, which would never happen...

Obviously collection values would go up, but would it be legal to own said collection if money is abolished?









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I suppose it might depend on whether or not the government recalled/confiscated all coins and currency, or perhaps banned all tangible assets that could act as a store of wealth (including coin collections?). It seems like the goal of this proposal is to force people to keep all their savings in banks, despite losing several percent of those savings each year with the negative interest rates.
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As financial oppression increases, collections should increase in value as well. Gresham's law will always apply. Coins / cash came into existence because of a need for it. If they limit the supply of new cash, old cash will increase in value.

I would much rather abolish all the Too Big To Fail / Jail banks than abolish cash.

And to think money changing used to be a sin and punishable by death per the Founding Fathers.
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Christ had an opinion about moneychangers too.

I don't ever see cash being "abolished." It's just going to fade into the background until even the government realizes it's of no use and cuts back on production. That, of course, would completely disconnect the concept of "legal tender" from governmental involvement except on paper, since it would be non-physical, and that's a good thing too.
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It will NEVER happen. If it were to, then people would use gold and silver to keep the government out of their business.
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I've been predicting exactly that for some time now. Possibly not completely for some time but it is coming soon. Already so many places just don't use cash of any kind. For example try buying something on ebay for cash. At so many gas stations the pumps are now made so you can just pass a credit card at it and go. I've watched at stores at the cashiers and see about 75% all in plastic. My Son has a business and uses credit and debit cards almost exclusively. Great for keeping track of buying and selling. I USED to love looking through my change but so seldom use cash, not much change to look through anymore. AND with so many credit card companies giving you cash for just using them, difficult not to. For example BOA gives me 1%, 2% and 3% money back on almost everything. So why use Cash? Slowly cash will just vanish.
AND when it does, our coins will be like old Oil Paintings. Worth a lot since just can't find them anymore.
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I don't know about our collections going up with the removal of cash from society.... Look at stamps. Fewer stamps are used because of email and such. As a result there are fewer stamp collectors which leads to lower values. Just a thought.
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I dunno, this is a topic being disused right now by the best minds in geo political economics. Are we all one day going to swipe the chip in our palm? If so how would third world countries adapt?..
Also, isn't it somewhere in the bible, maybe revelations, about a one world currency?... perhaps the abolishing of paper currency is the beginning?
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While stamps do have some value as they can be used to purchase a service with them, they only have that value and collector premium I presume.

Very limited use compared to money which backs all human commerce, including those also served by the post office.

As such coins are greater than stamps, always have been, always will be.
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While talking about cash and legal tender laws and gold and keeping the government out of your business, it reminded me of a story in Ron Paul's book End the Fed.

In it he described a pending court case involving a Las Vegas attorney. He paid his employees in legal tender US Gold coins. He paid them out at face value. $20 was a St. Gaudens, $10 for an Eagle, $5 for a Half Eagle, etc. He also complied with all tax laws by paying the taxes in Federal Reserve Notes, also at face value. Washington is a Dollar, Franklin $100, etc.

As a result you got paid more of what the employer had to pay out. A true win win any union and company man could agree to.

For instance say you agreed to work for salary. You are paid $300 per week. That is basically 15 grand gross, sadly not to far south of the average American wage. Lets for ease of math say you are taxed at 25%. So the employer needs to pay you and the IRS $300 legal tender.

You the employee are owed 75% of $300 aka $225 legal tender. You are paid with 11 St Gaudens and one $5 Half eagle. Nearly a troy pound of gold!

The IRS is owed 25% of $300 aka $75. The employer pays the IRS 3 $20 Andrew Jackson Notes, 1 $10 Hamilton, and 1 $5 Lincoln.



On a side note, a coin collecting goal of mine is to acquire Ron Paul's 1909s vdb cent along with provenance.
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Remember that at one point in time (USA History) that both stamps and playing cards were used as cash
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@ buckeyecoinguy... that's incredible, I hadn't even thought about that end run... do u know how it was adjudicated?
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One grocery store is bucking the trend - ALDI
Cash or debit cards but no credit cards, no checks.
Mostly store brands which are of pretty good quality.
And one has to bring one's own bags or BUY them.
Gasoline is often sold at two different prices:
one for cash and one for credit cards.
This is a factor to consider - the seller pays to accept your credit card.
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Turns out I had the details slightly wrong.

He paid in modern eagles gold and silver.

Did not pay taxes since the employees fell under the reporting requirement.

Guilty.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/e...ng-hard-time

I think Ron Paul speculated about paying in pre 33 gold or circulating silver coins perhaps. Great book End the Fed, but it has been a long time since I have read it. Nice little bit in there on his 1909s vdb cent.
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For example BOA gives me 1%, 2% and 3% money back on almost everything. So why use Cash?


Credit card companies need to END the cash-back/rewards Ponzi scheme. It's nothing but an illusion. All places that accept credit cards increase the price of their goods and services to account for the back-end card fees. The card companies simply funnel a fraction of that back to the consumer. In essence, you are PAYING YOURSELF, and you basically LOSE on the whole deal. People that pay cash are loved by businesses because it amounts to extra profits. I've dealt with several business that offer two different prices, one for credit and one for cash (usually a 3% discount). If everyone recalls the "old days", this was common practice at gas pumps.....up until the day where they all simply decided it wasn't worth the trouble and they could just charge everyone the higher price.

Why use cash? Because we don't need this bloated, garbage government snooping in our everyday affairs! Getting rid of cash would be a loss in FREEDOM. Which is something we seem to be giving up everyday in the USA via a giant "do-it-all"/"know-it-all" federal government.
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