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 Posted 04/29/2015  8:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Buymyemu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I don't know why I am worried about taking pictures, I probably don't have more than 3 coins worth viewing, but I like the technical side of things.

So, please help with some direction.

I have a T3i camera

I loaded the software, and took a couple pics using the advise from the $400 thread (f8, 200, etc), shooting sideways with white paper as a background. I will try to post in a few.

All I have are the two lenses that came with the camera, 18-55? and an EF 75-300 mm 1:4-5.6 (zoom wont work?)

I used the 18-55.

Also:

Waiting for this to arrive:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Tes...047675.l2557

need help with finding el-cheapo lens/bellows?/adaptor rings.

Would either of these lenses work?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Geminin-75M...em5b0fc5e5b1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-75mm-...em3cf666bd36

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 Posted 04/29/2015  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The El Omegar is the specific lens I use right now. $20 shipped ain't bad. Look around for a 75mm El-Nikkor; it's the best of the "cheap" lenses but will cost more. Have a look:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-enlar...em1e9db9e7d1

I nosed around the seller and stuff; he's new but look at his recent feedback. Couple of high-dollar camera items. This might be a good deal, especially if you can talk him down a few bucks. Me, I'd probably throw $50 at this lens. It looks dusty, but I suspect that dust is only on the outside because the rest of the lens looks unused.

Oh, yeah: My personal experience with the 18-55 is it's happiest at 50mm and set so you're as close to the coin as it will successfully autofocus (lens front 12" from the coin, maybe?). On a much smaller-megapixel sensor (12MP) than your T3i, that meant a Morgan dollar image of about 1100 pixels in diameter. Your 18MP sensor will do better.
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 Posted 04/29/2015  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buymyemu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dave,

I like that lens, I sent him an offer.

As you see from my other post, now I know why I need to take good pictures, even if it is just to see purchases more clearly!
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Those EL-Omegars for $20 shipped are an incredible deal. Good lens, and they list them as new. Should go in the EL-Cheapo lens thread.
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As you see from my other post, now I know why I need to take good pictures, even if it is just to see purchases more clearly!


SNERK!

Truth in that. Learning to image yourself makes you a far better interpreter of poor ebay images. You'll reach the point where you can easily see what they did wrong with their imaging....and what the other buyers are missing on the coin.
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 Posted 04/30/2015  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buymyemu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still waiting on a reply to my offer for the El-Nikor, if that fails, I will go for the omega.

In the mean time, what about these Bellows:

New Zealand!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vivitar-M42...em20fb21c85f

New but cheap?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EF-Mo...em27fe633422


New ly listed:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Macro-Exten...em33681ee007
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 Posted 04/30/2015  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Vivitar, I'll let Ray comment on as his experience compared to mine with these is like throwing a marble at Mt. Everest.

The other two are priced rather lower than you'd expect to pay for a decent used bellows of sufficient quality to last. I bet the paper rips the first time you extend them.
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Made me go but the price sure beats the price of some of the CANON macro lenses:

"This method actually uses an extension (which we'll discuss below) and a reverse mount. What you'll need to do is to take the lens hole cover that came with your camera and cut a big hole in it to give you a fitting that will attach to your camera's body. Then insert a PVC pipe securely into that fitting and place a rubber coupling over the pipe.

Finally, flip your lens around backwards and stuff it into the rubber coupling. Make sure everything is nice and snug so that nothing falls out and smashes to pieces on the ground.

Additional optional steps include sanding everything down and painting it black so that it doesn't look like you've got a giant PVC pipe sticking out of your camera"

http://photography.tutsplus.com/art...--photo-2857




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 Posted 04/30/2015  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Vivitar bellows are excellent but you must purchase focus rail separately. I often put Vivitar bellows on microscope stands that have their own focus mechanisms, but they won't work well on tripods or most copy stands.

I don't have nice words for the other bellows.
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 Posted 04/30/2015  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buymyemu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ha, aarspeed, I have never been good at plumbing!

My Testrite cs-1l just arrived with its 1995 receipt, looks mint so that is good.

This autobellows looks nice, not sure what it mount to though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KONICA-Auto...em234fceb9b6
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You'll need adapters for the Konica that will push your minimum distance out beyond usability with 75mm lenses.

The most flexible bellows are the Pentax Auto Bellows, like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/asahi-penta...em25a54ab90f

Note that I used a Vivitar bellows when building the setup for Dar, shown here:

https://goccf.com/t/227544&whichpage=3
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Quote:
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"ha, aarspeed, I have never been good at plumbing!"






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You'll need adapters for the Konica that will push your minimum distance out beyond usability with 75mm lenses.


The bellows structure still amounts to a 30-40mm extension even when fully closed, and has to be factored into your thinking. It takes very little extension beyond that for me to fill the sensor with a Morgan, and at that with a 75mm lens I'm near the top of my rig's vertical travel. The rig itself has enough vertical to use a "normal" 100mm macro lens.
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 Posted 05/06/2015  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buymyemu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I made offers on a few things, and through some wonderful work on my part I now own the omega and Nikon 75mm lenses. The omega is brand new old stock ( and TINY!). The Nikon looks good but dusty.
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TINY is another thing, and a very important one, you get with the systems we're championing here. Dedicated Macro Lenses are all fairly large in diameter. This is a requirement due to the complexity of focusing mechanisms and such, and indeed I don't believe "small" is a factor in their design at all! Small is however important for Macro to allow maximum flexibility for lighting. I headed down the enlarger lens path after I bought a Nikon 105mm AFS VR lens, and found it was nearly unusable for coins due to its extremely large physical size and relatively short working distance at higher magnification. I immediately started looking for alternatives, and the small lenses we recommend now fit the bill perfectly.
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Oh, and don't worry so much about dust. It doesn't affect the image much, if at all. It can lower contrast a bit if it's really bad, but that's about all.
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