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Valued Member
United States
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Any idea what is going on with this coin or what caused the obverse error? The ebay seller said it is a split planchet but most pictures of split planchets look more severe than this. If graded by a TPG, would this piece receive a details grade? Thanks!  http://www.ebay.com/itm/RS-RFM-5294...51650759804? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Are all of these abnormalities incuse, in relief, or just discolored? If one of these 'spots' is somewhat raised up (in relief), for example, it could indicate that a small section of the die separated or busted off from the original surface of the die. Depending upon the answers to my inquiries one or more of these areas could be a ' Retained Cud'. A fully developed Cud (a blob above the surface of the coin) usually develops from a ' Retained Cud'. An enlarged die break is basically the same as a Cud. |
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United States
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Technically speaking the classification of a die break as a Cud is not accurate unless a die break involves the 'edge' of the die; this is subject to debate. See the photo of an edge rim-located die break( Cud) on the die itself:  |
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United States
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It appears on rycolemet's coin that a die 'break' runs horizontally on the obverse from 2 o'clock into the hairlines. For clarification one is able to easily pick out a very prominent die break on a Shield nickel below:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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For assistance in differentiating a 'crack' from a 'break' the following photo displays a die 'crack' terminating with a die 'chip' near the eye on a LHC:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The final shot on a nickel near the Bison illustrates a large die 'Break' which should not categorized as a ' Cud'.  If the 3 cent piece under discussion has 'breaks', it should be similar to this nickel's features. |
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 United States
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Thank you for the info mdpmedia. To answer your question, I believe it is incuse but am not sure yet (those are the seller's images). I will have the coin in hand later this week so I can provide a definite answer and close-up pictures then. :) If it ends up that it is just PMD, I have the option to return. |
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it appears to be a rather unattractive planchet flaw, if it is I would honestly look for an example without one. it is an error but also kinda not so nice of you want a great shape example......mpdmedia, those pics are very good. they remind me a lot of the images posted by koinpro  BTW: what I said about the eye appeal is very subjective and I'm sure as ssuperddave said, there is someone out there for it. I,m not great with U.S. stuff  Feel free to call me Will.
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05/04/2015 09:27 am
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 United States
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It is plainly lamination, at first glance. Chances are a TPG wouldn't slab it at all - one of the rare ones which actually "bodybags" these days - because of the very real chance of some of that breaking off and scratching the rest of the coin in the slab. I can't say I disagree with them on it. So this one will spend its' career as a raw coin. That will not necessarily detract from the value, because the collector who wants one of these will understand and not care that it's been in a slab. I would not be surprised if this is a Mint State coin in-hand. It's also pretty heavily clashed. I'm a bit worried about the insides of some of the lettering - looks like it may harbor crud from a cleaning which didn't reach it. However, I'm unsure about this because there's no real sign of it anywhere else. Either way, it's my opinion that you pretty much stole this one.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Roger,
The "koinpro" images do look familiar don't they? Anyway, this appears to be a lamination to me. I'd say too minor to be a colletabe error and too obvious to be desirable on the coin. What we call a "white elephant".
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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SsDd,
One thing I noticed about images is that you can post them here and within an hour they show up on google.
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United States
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You have never met an SEO master on Bobby's level, Ken. What he has Google doing with this place is near-impossible. And there's a couple obvious tricks - like putting the full thread title in the URL - that he doesn't even use. Threads here are top-5 Google results in less than five minutes sometimes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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SsDs, Yes, I'm surprised how fast the links get up for CCF. Here are more dies with Cuds from my collection. Click Image To Enlarge. Edited by koinpro
05/04/2015 9:46 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I see laminations, die clashes and hub breaks. I don't see die cracks or die breaks.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't see any die breaks either.
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Posted 05/04/2015 04:53 am
