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Twoonie Core Struck Without Ring?

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This coin was auctioned off tonight. The more I look at it, the more I don't like it...

http://cnc.forwardsim.com/auction/8...sale/lot/497

Before I state my opinion on what I think I am seeing here, I am curious if anyone else is seeing what I am seeing...

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Does not look right and like you
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Here is a genuine $2 coin, struck only with a core loaded in the striking chamber...

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/30921318

Compare the edges of that one, with the auction coin...
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SPP, I can't understand how toonies are made. Can you explain it?
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I agree it doesn't look right, one of those on purpose ones. IMO
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I believe the word stuff going on especially on the top of the reverse is from the slab. Is that what you're seeing? I can't really tell currently cause its midnight and I have sleepy eyes.
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BTW spp, did you win any errors in this one? I saw some that I had a feeling you liked, the 1970 DS perhaps?
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SPP - forgive me as errors are not my thing at all but this is what I'm seeing...

1st picture - At first everything looked normal... then I was saying to myself there's something here SPP doesn't like... I started to look at the "circles" or edges for awhile.... and thought that it looks like there's a "collared edge" to the core...the "T" and "H" in Elizabeth looked weird like there was doubling..

That's all that I got out of it... But to be honest I really know very little about errors. I think I have found one penny error in my CRH... but I have never even posted it here in fear that it's just some silly PMD and to look a fool yet again.. LOL

Well I gave my opinion of what I think is wrong.... look forward to hearing yours!
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I can't understand how toonies are made.

What's to understand?
A ring blank & a plug blank are loaded into the press together ; the force of the blow from the dies squeezes them into a mechanical joint. There's a trick to making the two pieces lock properly, & not all issues have gotten it right.
The errors page at the Bimetallic Collectors Club covers the topic very well.
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rim should be flat
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rim should be flat


Bingo... I think this core was originally from an equally as scare an error, a coin with the ring bored off-centre, but core struck intact inside the ring. I suspect it was popped out of a coin like this one:

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/30921302

The shape of the coin, and size (cores struck without rings are much larger in diameter), and sometimes even cracked from the intense pressure, and are much thinner to the rim.

Of course, without the coin in hand, it is a difficult assessment - but it was enough for me (and others I know), not to bid on it.
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