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Burned Out MS-65 Morgan Dollar

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Can a Morgan that has been dipped so many times that its surface is burned out this bad actually grade MS65?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890-Morgan...em463a4ddcee

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I thought you had to show pictures of the entire front and back of the slab?
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Yep, the seller shows both sides.
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Into today's coin grading world ,short answer is yes. IMHO way too many marks for a 5.
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Koinpro...how can you tell? I know that doesn't look like a 65. How can you tell it looks burnt out?
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It doesn't looked overdipped. There is still TONS of mint luster left on both sides.
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What are the tell tale signs of dipping / over dipping?

I bought a small jar of the EZ-Est to experiment with, but haven't played with dipping any coins to see the results yet.

I like the phrasing 'market acceptable cleaning' that I have seen elsewhere. What amount, if any, of dipping is market acceptable?
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I think MS65 is spot on for this one- I'm assuming there is much nicer luster in hand, looks like the way the photo was taken hides the luster very well but I would be willing to bet in hand this coin is a stunner
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Yeah, I think the muted or lack of luster on the fields is a side affect of the photos. Shooting through plastic can be a challenge while trying to maintain focus and portraying the true luster. There is a high likelihood that it's been dipped in the past but may not be over-dipped.
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I wouldn't put too much weight into one set of
unsaturated photos, they almost look black and white.
Seller should provide more and better photos if serious
about selling it for the best price..

JMHO -Ron
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It doesn't look over dipped, just creative photo work. It sure doesn't look MS-65 either.
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Yeah, I think the grade is a bit generous. Even the reverse fields are messed up. I still see luster here too. Would be tough to resell.
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Yep, the seller shows both sides.


I only see three images on the listing and none of them include the coin AND the label in the same image.
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As they say, "buy the coin not the holder". IMHO this one is MS-64 at best.
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It's awfully baggy!
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This seller is one of the host of the coin show podcast.
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