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Set Of St.gaudens 1oz Ag Dies With Broken Bases Dissected

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At the end of an earlier thread that I believe is going stale, I posted the following that is better suited to a new thread:

These are Columbia style dies that had perfectly round bases that broke almost identically on each. They were Saint Gaudens design dies for 1oz rounds. There were no flats. Flats on this style die are not all that common though I have seen them. Columbia style dies are pretty much the standard used by the majority of mints.


The breaks were due to localized fatigue overload at the edges. I'd guess there may have been a shift in the balance possibly due to faulty die holder set up. Shown here is a 4-post die set up that the company that produces my die blocks and hubs makes. If one or two of the posts went out on one side then your balance would shift to one side. Of course the cause may have been something completely different.

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Below are the images of the broken set of dies.

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Note the Beach Marks. They represent repeated loads on the failing dies (they are easiest seen on the die to the left). The area outside this zone is where the rest of the foot sheared away at the time of "Final Fracture."
I also point out Ratchet Marks. You can read about Ratcheting Marks here:
http://www.asminternational.org/ema...6605p039.pdf. There is more here than I care to pretend that I fully understand.

There is a ton on the Internet about metal fatigue and its effects.
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 Posted 05/12/2015  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoldenIslesCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool and great for learning and understanding.Thanks for the post
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Ken, interesting information. Do you own these? Do these come up for sale at a specific site? Thank you, Brian.
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 Posted 05/12/2015  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add abderrahim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting information, very cool, Thank's.
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That's super cool!
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bpoc1,

I do own them but I never sell my defective dies. I like 'em too much. Just talked to Jon Sol over at Columbia Tool Works and found out they charge $10,000 for the 4-Post Die Set up I showed. Wow!

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 Posted 05/12/2015  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing
Looks like I'm out of the picture.
Fantastic buy.
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