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1843 Groat (Four Pence)

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 Posted 05/13/2015  03:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SpareHuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello All,

British coins are hardly my speciality and I need a few experts to give this coin a look over. It was purchased with the understanding that it was cleaned (not from a dealer, but from a friend). I only had a few rough pics to go on, but when it arrived I was on the fence on whether it has actually been cleaned. Any opinion on grade as well would certainly be appreciated.

Thank you.


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 Posted 05/13/2015  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gooner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks cleaned to me,condition is nice but all those fine scratches ( prob from over vigorous cleaning ) lets it down,just my opinion
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 Posted 05/13/2015  05:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice detail, but I agree, it has been cleaned
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 Posted 05/13/2015  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it's the lighting, but I think that it has been cleaned.

I have a couple of Britannia Groats, (fourpences) but this one is better than either of mine.

Grade EF (British grading), cleaned.
Despite the cleaning and nicks and scratches, a desirable little coin nevertheless.

The Britannia Groat is the same diameter as the silver Threepence, but is slightly thicker, and has edge milling.
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 Posted 05/16/2015  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpareHuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the responses. My coin guy confirmed the obvious... It had been polished. Such a pity, it would have been a really nice coin without assistance. Will certainly keep it though.
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 Posted 05/17/2015  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cleaning fazes me less than with most collectors.

For me, the extent of damage caused by cleaning is in inverse proportion to the loss of eye appeal.

I will not ignore a coin, just it has been stigmatically labelled 'cleaned'. In my mind, I will say: 'let's have a look at it'.

I have picked up quite a few bargains that others have ignored, with this strategy. However, I still have to think of 'most collectors', when making a decision to buy.
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 Posted 05/21/2015  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a fourpence of the same date, in much worse condition and with a hole drilled in it.
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