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Foreign "Junk Silver" Coins

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 Posted 05/13/2015  7:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wmc1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've never looked at any other silver coins other than .900 US silver.

Anyone know of some other good options for "junk silver" from Countries other than the US that would be worth looking into based only on the value of the silver?

I was thinking maybe on ebay there could be foreign silver "junk" coins that might be bought for good deals that are lesser known than the US ones.

Any non-US coins that would be worth looking into that might beat the melt value of the US ones?

I'm looking at lists and searching but it's a bit complicated, hoping someone might know a bit more. But if US .900 is the best price there is over spot then I'd just stick with US and have a separate foreign collection that's not based on metal value. And I guess I would prefer .900+ or maybe .800+. It's mainly for the silver content, would just be nice to have more variation in my silver collection and possibly get better spot prices since people might not be searching for the foreign ones.

Here's what I've been looking at:

http://www.ngccoin.com/priceguide/C...-Silver-Coin

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-...oins.207779/

Edit: from searches on ebay it seems non-US silver coins cost more, maybe because there isn't such a huge supply like the US ones. Hmm, maybe I can look at some Canadian or Mexican ones. I was reading that German silver from around the time of Hitler could go up in value because a lot of them were destroyed after WW2. Not sure I want Nazi silver though; but it is historical, and silver is silver :P )
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I've gotten the best deals on foreign silver (and gold) from coin shops. Some shops take foreign silver with the other scrap and will usually sell it for melt if they have any. I've gotten a lot of common UK .925 sterling and French .800 and .900 this way. Big dealers also sort the better foreign coins and put them in flips. I've gotten silver for less than melt buying old flips that haven't been updated.
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 Posted 05/13/2015  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're in America, then American silver coins are by far the easiest to obtain in bulk quantities. If you were in Australia, then it would be Australian coins, British coins in Britain, and so forth. The closer you can get to "bulk quantity", the smaller the premiums and the closer to spot price you will have to pay.

I'm a little confused about your reasoning. As you say, silver is silver, and "the spot price" is the spot price of silver and does not change depending on the shape, size and fineness the pieces of silver are. Some coins might have a higher or lower premium over the bullion value, but you're never going to find a coin with a "negative premium" that usually trades for less than bullion value. As a general rule, people selling bulk world coins either know which ones are silver and charge bullion value plus premium for them, or they do not. Your best chance for finding cheap silver amongst junk world coins is to find someone handling world coins who really has no clue about how to find out which foreign coins have silver in them and which do not.
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Welcome to the forum. You are asking a question that indicates (at least to me) that your experience is rather limited. If in fact you are relatively new to the hobby there are a few key facts that you must keep in mind when dealing with coin dealers.

First : NEVER expect to pay less than a fair value for any coin - Looking only for "bargains" will set you up to get scammed. The vast majority of "bargains" you will find are actually rip-offs. There are millions of non-silver junk fakes available so knowing how to spot them is critical before buying any world silver coin. Get a cheap pocket scale to check the weight of each coin and know how much silver actually wears off a coin. Most collectors tend not to recall that silver coins were made to wear quickly so that only 5 or 10% weight loss results in an AG level coin (the point at which banks pulled them from circulation). The dimes can weigh 90% of original spec but larger coins like halves should weigh 95%. So know the weights of all your target coins.

Second : STUDY your target coin or coins so that you know exactly what you want. Do not set up vague goals. This is because going into any sale you need to know what to offer and what should be available. If you want 900 fine silver coins near bullion value look for worn or culled Cuban and Philippines issues that were struck in the US mints. Look for coins that are NOT popular among collectors. Target common dates in lower grades. If the fineness is not the real issue look at coins like the Netherlands Antilles which are bountiful and have few interested collectors. These are 720 fine silver and most US dealers know they will never get a premium for them.

Third : Watch out for the alloy of the coin. There are many alloys that do not sell well as bullion coins. The 100 fine Mexican pesos are classic examples. They do contain silver but try to sell them to a smelter and see your profits evaporate in drastically higher smelting fees. This applies to many coins that are under 500 fine silver. At some times melt fees rise - especially for lower grades of silver. Also alloys with Manganese like the US 5 cent coin can raise smelting charges.

Finally : Do not expect a profit right away. You need to be able to cover smelting fees upon sale. So to do that you need to wait for a 5% to 15% increase in silver melt price to break even.
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I'm always a tad saddened when I read about 'junk silver' and sending it off to be made into whatever. I'm a very humble collector (read I don't have the money to buy expensive coins) but I do like the variety and history that the hobby brings. I'm not into the hobby for any sort of profit so a silver coin that is graded Fine (or whatever scale you prefer) is a welcome addition to my collection. and not because it is silver, it just is another coin I likely don't have and it has some history.
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I waited my turn and got into the local dealer's junk box today. 3 Edwardian sterling shillings and a Halifax quarter for $11. Low grade but what the heck. Thrill of the hunt.
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What is a Halifax quarter?
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Canadian Halifax mint. Date is 1880's but too worn to see the last digit.
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Do you mean the Heaton mint, with the H mintmark? Nice finds in any case, all .925 fineness
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wmc1982 - here in the UK, I often get foreign 'junk' silver for far less than an equivalent British coin would cost! You can sometimes find early 1960s Roosevelt dimes and Washington quarters in cheap trays, as dealers don't realise they are silver!

When purchasing British silver coins in the USA, remember that the silver content was reduced from 92.5% (Sterling silver) to 50% in 1920. So a worn 1921 halfcrown should cost much less than a worn 1919 one! Any UK 'silver' coins dated from 1947 onwards are cupro-nickel (except for Maundy Money and some proofs, which are unlikely to turn up in junk trays).
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Thanks for the information. For years I just assumed they were struck in Canada at Halifax. So it seems all these coins were struck in the UK.

I haven't weighed them, but based on the wear there's probably 20g of silver in them, and I paid reasonably close to melt value. No numismatic premium.
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