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Canada
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hopefully this is a small 5/5 variety. What do you think? Grade? when I bought this coin, I was surprised to see the obverse much more toned than the reverse, not sure why. still a beautiful coin regardless. thanks in advance,    Edited by AgHoarder
05/19/2015 06:53 am
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Canada
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Hmmm----the CCC site shows a definite large 5 behind the small 5----showing up in front of the 5---I think you have the reg. large 5. But I'm no expert.
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Canada
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Great coin---patina difference shows that the obverse was exposed more than the reverse---very natural, sitting in the same place for 100 years.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Not an expert by any means,
but I"ll lean towards small 5 over 5.
A small 5 anyways either way.
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I think what I have listed is just a 5/5; it's a low grade and crummy photo. Maybe this is the same? Listed as VCR#1/RPD#1 for Steve Olter March 25, 1998.  Edited by koinpro
05/19/2015 3:08 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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818 Posts |
Hey Ken, after looking at your photo, I'm thinking you have the 5/5 and mine is just a small 5. Yours is much more pronounced even in lower grade. Thanks for sharing.
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Not a small 5 or 5/5...
this is a "tall 5" one of two types of "tall 5" that Charlton has chosen to completely ignore.
Scarcer than small 5/5
Beautiful coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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a "tall 5", interesting. do you now where I can find some literature on the subject?
Thank You
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Canada
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There is none...but it will be in my book as Tall 5 No.2.
The "tall 5s" are completely different from the Large 5, Large 5/5, Small 5, Small 5/5.
Both of the "tall 5s" show some evidence of re-engraving.
Why Charlton has ignored these 2 interesting varieties, is a mystery to me...
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For Charlton to actually list a variety, you must first send in some documentation and research/vetting that has been done to verify that it is, in fact, a variety that can or should be included and why. First, if they agree to list it, it will be in the next annual Charlton that has a variety section in the back for the year that covers that denomination. Population data, informal though it may be, is important and that's not supposed to be a WAG. Find like-minded collectors who can also verify it's existance and specific markers. Charlton recognizes, in the variety sections, varieties that would have collector interest and that they would be something that other collectors would like to have. Once it's listed in the back section of Charlton (and that's only a guess if sufficient space is available), if there is some dealer or auction interest, then it MAY be moved to the front pages. Once in the front, then ICCS will normally start listing it, as will Trends. Although for the Large Cents, it took special emails to Sean Isaacs, to finally get the DP#5, TP#1 to finally get picked up in Trends, 3 years after the 2011 Charlton guide and 2 years after the DP#3, 4, & 9/6 were listed there.
If you want to start getting any type of variety foramlly recognized, get it listed on the Coins in Canada site first. Putting it in a book will do you no good as to formal recognition. It takes a long, dedicated, well-researched effort to get something into Charlton and is normally a group effort. I would suggest Brian Cornwell come on board for you .. 5 cent silvers are his own personal interest niche and he's seen thousands.
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There is none...but it will be in my book as Tall 5 No.2.
The "tall 5s" are completely different from the Large 5, Large 5/5, Small 5, Small 5/5.
Both of the "tall 5s" show some evidence of re-engraving.
Why Charlton has ignored these 2 interesting varieties, is a mystery to me...
I look forward to purchasing your book. When do you think it will be completed? Hopefully I can live long enough to see this variety credited. I also have an 1899 5 cent piece with very obvious high 9s. Will your book mention that variety? |
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I'm hoping to have two volumes out before the end of the year...
Yes on the 1899s...there is a high (last) 9 and a high 99s
okiecoiner...Charlton has gone as far as it'll ever go with varieties. It has no future.
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C-V: That may be true about Charlton, but being listed in Charlton is the only way to open the door to ever having it listed in Trends or cert'd by ICCS. ICCS does not certify anything that hasn't been in the Charlton front section, as far as I know and the same with Trends. As all of us in the variety niche have found out, it is a very very small field and and forms an extremely minute percentage of all collectors of Canadian things. I would guess that it is 200 people, tops, that form the variety cadre, with certainly less than 100 even remotely serious. It is hard for a publishing company to grant any print space for such a small market. Well-documented things get in, but private crusades do not.
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05/22/2015 06:53 am
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okiecoiner, as far as getting varieties recognized, I hear CCCS is better in this regard. Is this true from your experience?
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Yes, CCCS DOES recognize many more varieties than ICCS, but I think that they have lost some credibility among collectors and dealers. Some things have been certified that shouldn't have been. That's my opinion only. While I'm not a big fan of any TPG, the key to being listed in Trends or ICCS certs (the most popular Canadian TPG)is inclusion in Charlton. |
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.Charlton has gone as far as it'll ever go with varieties. "It has no future". That might be a slightly (and overly optimistic statement) on your part... For myself..Charlton is still "the bible"..but I also love the added info and finds.. Thankfully our coin community has many knowledgeable and truly dedicated collectors that "work together" to bring new facts out to all of us.. We would be lost without this wonderful group.. |
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