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One of the earliest die states I've ever seen. Picked this up from an auction in England last year. With no sign of the die break, I thought it was fake but am 95% sure it's real. I just sent it out to PCGS yesterday and am expecting a grade of VF-30 or 35. Anyone else want to guess the grade or if it's even real?   |
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Wow, what a coin!  I definitely believe it's real and can confirm that this is variety Miller 4-L (Horned Bust)with a rarity designation of R.1. 4-L is easily distinguished by the reverse having periods after the legends and not before them. This is an extremely early die state and probably the best Connecticut piece I've seen here on the forum. Now as far as grade. I will easily grade this coin at EAC 35 which would correspond to an EF-40 market grade. The planchet on this piece is superb with a beautiful natural tone. I'm tempted to grade it up to EAC 40 just for that. 1787 Connecticut Miller 4-L R.1 35/35. |
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I've looked at several specimens of this coin and all had at least a bit of the "horn" showing. Thanks for your input and am glad knowledgeable people are on here like you. I should post the 1871 North American Token I picked up from a shop in Glasgow.
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Celtic, excellent job. I've never seen one of these. What is the image on the date side of the coin? Looks like the devil.
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We just had another North American Token on the forum a week or two ago. Post your pics of your piece. Those are great coins.
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'My comments (A. & B.) merit a division between them by placing one of them (B.) in a remotely related thread to avoid abducting this thread' Here's comment A. which is the initial one: A.: Quote:
...if it's even real? Several years before 1783 (pre-Treaty of Paris time-frame) when this coin was only a notion of 'what could possibly be', did the mint at that time ever experiment with other types of metals or alloys creating prototypes that could likewise be considered 'real' in the true sense of the matter? If this scenario is plausible, does proof exist as to the past or current presence of these comparable precursor metallic compositions? thx, mdpmedia |
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In finishing up my two new and different comments (A. & B.) I put the research questions related to B. in another separate thread (see URL at the bottom) to avoid abducting this thread: B. Here's the second and more remote subject matter relating primarily to the historical factors that contributed to or that 'possibly' could have altered the final designs on this coin: https://goccf.com/t/230337#1921127mdpmedia |
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Came back graded PCGS XF-45. But not as a "Horned Bust". Just a simple 1787 "Connct Mailed Bust Left".
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I believe you have to pay extra for attributions. That said EF-45 is s pretty high grade.
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What a stunning coin! Amazing to have in your collection.  |
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