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What Would Tell You That This Had Been Cleaned? 1802 Dollar

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Hello all,
I am just trying to educate myself as to what is seen on this coin to alert as to it being cleaned?

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 Posted 05/21/2015  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too am still trying to learn and on some coins I can't tell whatsoever but my guess is the tiny striation marks on the obverse and reverse...? The ones that look like tiny little scratches. Someone else will know more though :)
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 Posted 05/21/2015  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
one clue would be a halo effect around the lettering, this coin does not specifically show this. However when the coin is toned, this sometimes is harder to determine. This coin is in a holder, does the holder specifically say its been cleaned?
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I'm going to have to punt on this one too.

FWIW my first impression was yes, cleaned. Just too clean on both sides, and looks to have some rub marks/hairline scratches. Maybe a long time ago, or just a partial cleaning.

It's also in plastic which is where some of the scratches could be also.
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If it's in one of the top three TPG's holders and it says cleaned or details,I understand that they use a "sniffer" to detect chemicals that were used to clean the coin. Maybe that's why the TPG labeled it cleaned, if that's the case.Just a thought.
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 Posted 05/21/2015  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peaece13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to not be more clear in original post, but yes it was deemed cleaned by PCGS, I am just looking to learn what to look for, the hairlines would have been my guess...
Here are pics of the full slab

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I am wondering if you are planning to "Buy it Now" or only using it as an example. I do not know anything about these coins, but the price seems a little steep!
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Mainly using this an example to see what I could learn for next time,
while the price is "a little steep!", finding a genuine one at a cheaper price that has good looks and details can be a challenge under $2000.
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Still and awesome coin!
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In my opinion, the way I would tell is that the toning is darker around the rim than it is in the center of the coin and in the fields around the portrait. The absence of this darker color in the center likely would mean that it was rubbed off at some point. More uniform toning across the entire coin would indicate that it hadn't been cleaned.

I tend to think of it as if someone crudely rubbed the coin to make it shiny. They would have been able to easily remove the dull/dark spots on the flat surfaces and would have had a harder time with areas that had a lot of complex features (nooks and crannies on the surface of the coin). Minor scratches across the surfaces could also be an indicator here.

This manner of thinking gets thrown out the window if the coin was dipped in a cleaner, versus rubbed with a finger or a cloth, however.
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