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1942 Lincoln Wheat Penny Die Cracks?

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As I've mentioned in a few other posts, I'm a beginning coin collector and I know I have a lot to learn. I was going through some of the pics I've taken of some of the coins I inherited and I came across this 1942 LWC. Are any of the marks on the obverse caused by die cracks, or are they PMD? And, doesn't it look like someone tried to fill a crack on the reverse?

Also, a lot of grandpa's old coins have that fuzzy thing going on. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to clean that up without actually cleaning the coin?



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It looks like a lamination error to me.
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Those are lamination errors, pretty nice one too.
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Lamination. No premium in that condition. Ewww.
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An acetone bath might clean up some of that- Be careful about PVC contatmination! Make sure non of the flips have PVC!
Anyway, it looks like a nice lamination
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Lamination. No premium in that condition. Ewww.


Maybe not a premium but ewww?

I think with a little love and care that is one I would keep for sure!
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Oh boy, I just looked up flips and PVC, ChildoftheWheat! Yikes! How do I know if they have PVC?
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Nice LAM. It does need some conservation though.
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Oh boy, I just looked up flips and PVC, ChildoftheWheat! Yikes! How do I know if they have PVC?



To test a flip or other flexible holder to see if it contains PVC, twist or bend the holder and watch for little cracks in the plastic. PVC will not crack when bent, in fact it is nearly indestructible by twisting and bending it. This is what PVC does, it makes plastic more pliable and soft.
http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/holders.html
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Since it isn't an extremely rare coin, I would start with a warm, soapy water rinse, pat it dry, then soak it in some white vinegar to neutralize the green oxidation. That should clean it up a bit. There are some commercial cleaners available, but I have never used them. Always be careful when choosing to use a cleaner on a coin, practice on a common coin before you ruin a nice one!
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Also, PVC has a distinctive "Plasticy" smell.
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Yeah, that's what I was wondering, too, cwb. If I could do a warm, soapy rinse. I do some metal detecting, and, oy, the condition of most of the coins I see!

I have dozens of decades old cardboard coin holders. I'd be willing to bet that some of them have PVC. Would I be better off discarding the older holders and getting newer ones? Also, what about old cellophane? Like from old .. I don't know .. cigarette wrappers? That's what it looks like some of the coins are wrapped in. Is that potentially PVC, too?
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It could be. You can get newer PVC free 2X2 holders on ebay fairly reasonable. Get a stapler that flattens the staples too, that can help prevent scratching the next coin. I use one like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Max-Flat-Cl...em1a00288b14
but shop around for the best price!
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First, lets clear some terminology here. The cardboard with Mylar holders are called 2x2s. Simply for the fact they are 2 inches square. Like these:

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When you say flips, these are the same size, but are made (now) out of mylar, and in the past out of plastic with PVC in it. They are distinctly different.Like these:

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Your old 2x2s should not be an issue. Having said that, it surely would do no harm to replace them with new ones.


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No premium in that condition. Ewww.


Ummm, OK. That coin is NOT in that bad a shape.

d_dob, here is what you do. Soak the coin in distilled water for a good 24 hours. This will loosen any average dirt and gunk. Take it out and rinse it off. Pat it dry.

Follow that with a soak in acetone for a good 24 hours. This will remove any possible PVC and other organics the water did not touch. Swish it around in clean acetone after the soak. Do a search on here for acetone. You will find plenty of threads discussing it. No need to pat it dry after the swishing. Acetone evaporates clean and clear fairly quickly.

Finally, get some verdis care. You should be able to order it from most any coin supply company. Soaking in this for another 24 hours should loosen up any green stuff left and gentle removal with a q tip can be done. Whatever is left at that point is not coming off without ruining the coin.

Those are some very cool lamination errors. Certainly worth the effort of some proper cleaning.
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I was just saying in that condition. It could be better.
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I would stay away from the vinegar all together.
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