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1997 LMC DD Ear?

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CONECA only lists one DDO; with IV and VIII. But it does list various stage callouts.


Stage A:


Die scratch in field next to hair below first T of TRUST - EDS

Die chip at Left eave - EDS

Die crack upper Right Memorial to rim through I of AMERICA

Die clash under Left baseline



Stage B:



Two small die gouges on inside rim under lapel - EMDS

Reverse die changed - EDS

Die gouge inside upper loop of R of AMERICA


Stage C:

Obverse is MDS

Reverse is EMDS


Stage D:

Obverse is LDS

Die gouge inside upper loop of R of AMERICA is gone - MDS


Stage E:

Obverse is LDS

Die break at Left eave - LDS

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So the stages refer to the state the DD is in? Also what does the class IV and VIII refer to?
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http://doubleddie.com/58222.html

Over the years it has been found that different types of misalignments between the images on the hub and the images on the die could occur. The various types of misalignments produced unique characteristics to the doubling found on the dies. Each identifiable type of misalignment of images produced one the "classes" of doubled die varieties. All but one of the leading die variety attributers recognize eight distinct classes of doubled die varieties. Coppercoins also uses a Class IX for doubled die varieties produced on the new single-squeeze hubbing presses. All of the other attributers feel that the doubled die varieties produced on the single-squeeze hubbing presses still fit into one of the eight previously existing classes of doubled die varieties. We have provided links to take you to separate pages for the eight classes of doubled die doubling. Each page will explain the causes and characteristics of one of the classes of doubled die doubling as well as provide you with photo illustrations of doubled dies from that class.


This is from wexlers website and it shows examples of them all
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Thank you so much tweak! now I have the jest of it. and thank you too Rackster, I will check the markers.
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The only problem I see with creating a new class for single-squeeze is that the same scenario was occurring prior to the single-squeeze process -- during the first hubbing. Since Single-Squeeze was first introduced to United States coinage in FY 1985, during a time when the multiple hubbing process dominated, how do you know which coins may have been created from one of the few dies made via single-squeeze vs., multiple hubbing during this 12+ year era?

With all that said, probably the last thing anybody cares about when buying a doubled die is the class. More important is how strong is the doubling.
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I suppose the classes can be beneficial in attribution, but I agree the umph is in the doubling. I can just see the gouge in the R, so I'm thinking mine is a "late stage B".
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I like the progression of this thread. I'm interested in what you have there CM. Cool all around!
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Thanks Rackster. I've learned a lot in this thread. I'm also very happy to have found this coin. I've got it slated in my next shoot, just need a couple others for my file.
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Here's a pic of the R and the rim under the lapel. I'm not too sure about the lapel.

1997-LMC-DD-Ear?

1997-LMC-DD-Ear?
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I'm not seeing any "R" there.
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Quote:
It is a combination of the two classes
I can barely see something remaining in the upper loop of the R, so I guess it's late stage C ?
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Oh, I understand what you're saying Coop. You're referring to Ken's coin having a combination of classes. That doesn't bode well for my coin. So mine is not a DD. Any idea what it is?
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I feel it is not. The shape is not the same. Your coin looks like it might be Machine Doubling. Note the west side of the outer ear area? It shouldn't look like that. Also the lobe is not correct as well. 1997-LMC-DD-Ear?
Note the shape on the normal coin? Yours is shaped like that with a slight push on the lobe making it look interesting. On the DDO, it has the Arizona slope on the lobe and the doubled upper ear on the top. I'm just not seeing that on your coin.
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Can you post another photo of the coin, this time with the light source coming from a different angle?
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Thank you Coop. Cwb, I will do just that. I'll put it in with my next batch. My next batch hopefully contains what Coneca refers to as a 001 DDO profile on a 1965 Roosevelt. As near as I can tell Franklin is doubled. The Coneca listings describe it but offers no pics.
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