I really can't tell from the images either.
They both LOOK like they have strong rims.
Are you thinking weak strike? Through Grease? For the 'errors?
I do agree they can be classified as 'woodies' though.
Would love to see some better pictures.

EDIT: It also looks as if their is some (
PMD), Post Mint Damage on the 1919.
Edited by Dar
06/07/2015 7:17 pm