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All Greek To Me - In Need Of Divine Inspiration (2)

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I managed to get "Know HIM AND GOD " out of the rev but cant make anything readable out of the obverse.

is it just me or does he look like a guy from Dr Who?

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All-Greek-To-Me---In-Need-Of-Divine-Inspiration-2 means : 'know yourself and God'
All-Greek-To-Me---In-Need-Of-Divine-Inspiration-2 can be 'domini'

Seems to be a commemorative token of a religious person, perhaps a bishop, propably orthodox

corrections welcome



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06/08/2015 07:47 am
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That's the Papal seal on the front, which is odd because the CatholiC church usually uses Latin while Greek is associated with the Orthodox.

Could be a jeton perhaps?
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as Petrus said , I think it is a commemorative token. I read :
obv : ANT AYGOYSTIN Eriskilerd (not sure of the last letters )
rev : GNOTHI SAYTON KAI THEON * O (?) * S * , in the middle : CHR(ist) and alpha - omega = from the beginning to the end .
The expression 'gnoti sauton or seauton ' : know yourself , is from an inscription on one of the temples in Delphi in Greece and has been reused in the Thermi of Diocletianus in Rome on a mosaic, representing a skeleton.albert
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Sorry I should have put the size 40mm and weight 19.8gram
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Indeed, Roman Catholic and not Greek Orthodox. The Greek letters read ANT AUGOUSTIN EPISK (episcopus) ILERD, for Antonio Agustín, Archbishop of Tarragona in Spain (Catalonia, really). ILERD stands for Ilerdense: of Lleida, or Lerida, a diocese subordinate to Tarragona. Agustín (d.1586) was a famed scholar of canon law. In particular, he championed the study of original Greek texts, rather than Latin manuscripts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni...n_y_Albanell
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And in this scholarly article from the University of Girona,
http://www.raco.cat/index.php/Estud.../43818/56260
we find a description of this very medal. But if my Spanish is bad, my Catalan is worse!

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Thanks so much everybody, seems he was a man after our own heart

http://www.historyofinformation.com....php?id=3925
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If this medal came from the same place as the last one you posted, that must have been one collection with a really narrow focus! That collector must have been fun at cocktail parties:

"So, got any hobbies? I like fly-fishing."
"I collect bronze medals depicting Roman Catholic canon law jurists of the 16th and 17th centuries."
"Yeah, I think I'll go to the bar..."
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gnothi sauton , Rome.albert

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from the ticket that was with it, it looks like my Father in Law has had this in the "what the heck is this" drawer, since 1975 - this is where all my most interesting stuff comes from, as payment for taking all the photo's for and running his web site. would post a link to it but don't want to get in trouble here.

may very well have come from the same interesting blokes collection back then.
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