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Confused About Grading Vs. Market Value

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 Posted 06/09/2015  01:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm trying to understand why CoinsandCanada.com would have a 1957 PL66 Silver Dollar listed at $580 and sellers on ebay are offering this apparently very high value coin as a $120 'Buy it Now' ? And this, not the only example I've seen... Does it have to do with a drop or a Low in the market so sellers are dumping their duplicate coins ?

I understand that 'Trends' is the more reliable source for Market value of a coin but why the big discrepancy & how often does this fluctuate & by how much; in leaps & bounds back & forth or fairly stable.

Can someone provide a concise explanation, although probably not as simple as that, but would be appreciated so to get a grasp on a more obscure (for me) side of coin collecting.

Thanks.
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 Posted 06/09/2015  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have any books to refer to, but I do know that C&C has very inflated prices listed, even higher than the (already high) book prices. It's best just to use it to get a rough idea of the rarity and/or demand of a coin and not an actual price guide.
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06/09/2015 01:41 am
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 Posted 06/09/2015  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. They do list the ebay sold stats which is helpful but not sure how often it's updated.
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 Posted 06/09/2015  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes everything sold is listed on the left hand side ,look for sold and tick the box
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 Posted 06/09/2015  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The market will tell you what the coin is worth. Other than the occasional "deal" (mostly on unnoticed variety, raw or under graded listings with poor pictures or poor timing) there is enough collectors and dealers scouring ebay that most coins sell pretty close to what they are worth in today's market. Although I have been surprised a few times with my own auctions, it's more of an exception that the rule. The current collector demographic dictates that there is still pricing discrepancy between online pricing and some of the larger auctions at shows and shows themselves where for many its is still the favorite place to buy coins. I've seen worn out large cents sell at country auctions for 6 bucks where I have them in a 2 dollar bucket at the store. A lot of that has to do with physically seeing the coin, trust and in some cases technology savvy. As we get more historical pricing and easier access to it, the online sales are becoming a more accurate "trend" for coins than anything else. This is mostly true for either graded and/or common "cookie cutter" coins. Rare and unique coins will always be an exception as pricing history is inconsistent. I find it's also more difficult to buy and sell in the same market. For example gone are the days where world ebay sites were separated and many coins were only seen if you went directly to them (The current German site excluded). Some people still hunt the British and German sites directly as sometimes a coin that doesn't have worldwide shipping specified will show up only on those sites. Bottom line is that more and more online sales are becoming the reference guide to a pricing trend. It's a bit of a double edged sword. Every time something sells below average (deal) it becomes part of the trend and ultimately determines longer term value of that item. As far CCN trends pricing, it's all over the map but generally it has become "book" more than a "trend". Many coins are regularly selling below 50% CCN trend values (even good ones). CCN is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Dropping the pricing to reflect current market would not be good for the dealers so they leave it alone (This is my assumption and opinion only). CC does list the ebay average and I think they are pretty good at updating but as mentioned above, you can easily scour the ebay "sold" section for details.
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06/09/2015 11:52 am
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 Posted 06/09/2015  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinhunter - Straightforward & concise, thanks!
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 Posted 06/10/2015  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Value" is what someone is willing to pay for something. There is no more accurate list of values than completed auctions. There were two MS-63 millenium mules listed recently on ebay. One sold very quickly for $300ish, the second is priced at $450 and nobody is buying. One was priced realistically, the one is priced based on what the book says it should be worth.
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 Posted 06/10/2015  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks 1cent for your 2 cents :P
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