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Stamped 1822(?) Irish Penny

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 Posted 12/29/2007  08:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jsalgado to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Any information about what means "E.ARIES" stamped George IV
Irish Penny 1822 (?) copper coin? JSalgado

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 Posted 01/01/2008  06:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect it has something to do with financial transactions.


aries = n An Reithe m4 (in Gaelic)

USAGE:
attachment of salaries = astú tuarastal;
the tax levied on the salaries = an cháin a toibhíodh ar thuarastail;
salaries, wages and emoluments = tuarastail, pá agus eadálacha;
the salaries, emoluments and allowances = na tuarastail, eadálacha agus liúntais;
attachment of the salaries and emoluments = astú tuarastail agus eadálacha;
the revision of salaries of bank officials = athbhreithniú tuarastal oifigeach bainc;
the personal advantage of the beneficiaries = leas pearsanta na dtairbhithe;
the salaries and emoluments paid by the Court = na tuarastail agus na headálacha a íocfaidh an

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 Posted 01/01/2008  06:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would assume it's just somebody's name, "E. Aries", stamped there, as an advertisement.
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 Posted 01/01/2008  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Banjax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
an advertisement? how would stamping their name on a coin be advertising?

oh....hey guys! havnt posted here in a long while! hi sap! :)
you probably dont recognise my username.
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Hi Banjax, welcome back.
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an advertisement? how would stamping their name on a coin be advertising?

It was quite a common occurrence in the 19th century. You take a coin, stamp your name on it, and give it out in change at your shop, or use it to buy stuff when you go to someone else's shop. Everyone else who used it would look at it and see a reminder of you and your shop. In this case, it would only work in areas nearby, with people who already knew who "E. Aries" was and where his shop was.
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 Posted 01/01/2008  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Gorilla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap could this be a Test Coin ?
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 Posted 01/02/2008  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Test coin? How?

It certainly wasn't made in the mint like that. If it were, the lettering would have worn away just as much as the rest of the design has.
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 Posted 01/02/2008  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Banjax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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It was quite a common occurrence in the 19th century. You take a coin, stamp your name on it, and give it out in change at your shop, or use it to buy stuff when you go to someone else's shop. Everyone else who used it would look at it and see a reminder of you and your shop. In this case, it would only work in areas nearby, with people who already knew who "E. Aries" was and where his shop was.


so do you believe that the coin was stamped in the 19th century?
the quality of the letters of the stamp are still very good, little wear, I find it hard to believe that the coin has been stamped that long.
mid 20th century I would guess myself, but I could be completely wrong.
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Well, the stamps are deep, and the coin wouldn't circulate too much longer once the coin had been stamped; banks were liable to refuse it as "defaced". In that sense, producing such an advertisement could backfire, creating problems for the people who try to use it. Still, any publicity is good publicity.

I assume it's a 19th century piece simply because people were doing this all the time in the 19th century, and weren't doing it so much in the 20th. Governments noticed the increasing numbers of defaced coins being returned to them, and started passing laws against defacing coin of the realm in the mid 1800's.

Here's an article about counterstamped coins, especially advertising ones. Here's another, this one focussing on American counterstamps.
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Cass closed Sap is right it's just somebody's name with the words E. Aries stamped there as an advertisement.
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 Posted 01/02/2008  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Banjax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah you are probably right sap, the idea that the coin becomes defaced once stamped never entered my mind.
thanks for the info sap, your a class act!
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