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Edit 6/23/15 8:41 AM -- Pictures fixedHello again, CCF community! I'm amazed. I purchased a roll of 1929-P uncirculated wheat cents, and have pulled 4 DDR's, 10+ MS-63/64 tier coins, 30 or so high-end AU or low-end MS coins. It's been awesome getting your input on some of the coins, and I appreciate the help of everyone kind enough to have afforded me some so far. This one coin likely reigns supreme. It CERTAINLY is a class VI doubled die, yet it does not match the die markers of either coin outlined in the above link. What this means to me, is that my coin may be a "discovery piece", never before attributed a variety number. I invite you to take a gander at her. First, I'll post the raw photo of the reverse, then a photo pointing out the bits in question on the reverse, then finally a photo of the obverse to identify any die markers that I may have missed that would prove my coin a non-discovery. REVERSE, PLAIN: REVERSE, AREAS IN QUESTION: OBVERSE, PLAIN: BONUSGrade him!  Edited by Shnug
06/23/2015 08:41 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Images aren't there. Sorry
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That area for a clash is not in the right area. Here is where you would find the clash that could happen.  Sometimes there can be a small rotation for a clash. (up to as much as 10 degrees) But the mark on the center looks like coin contact in that area. And the diagonal line might be a mild die crack in that area. But it does look like a DDR. I would submit it for CONECA to see if they would list it if you have several examples? CONECA does list one DDR for this mint: 1929 DDR-001Designation: 1-R-VIDescription: Medium extra thickness on E PLURIBUS UNUM, both wheat ears and stems Grade: VG Population: 1 Markers: UVC-1293 DMR-002 Stage A: EDS (unconfirmed) Stage B: Reverse and Obverse are MDS Stage C: LDS (unconfirmed) Reported by: Charles Bondurant I don't think this is the same one as yours. (the images on the E-disk are of the VG example and not showing any markers) Your coin shows two die chips on the weak lines, but the images don't show that on their images. But I bet they would welcome the new images they could get from your BU coin. Very nice find! |
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I can't see the images, I also don't get a view image option when I right click it.
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Those look to me like they are scratch marks as well.
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If it's not a clash as strongly evidenced by coop's helpful overlay photo, then I'm interested in determining what the center mark is. On the coin, that piece is raised above the surface as far as I can tell with it in-hand, not a dent caused by coin contact. Can such a thing happen due to PSD? What other possibilities can lead to a raised segment of a coin aside from zincoln gas bubbles? Coop, It'd be my pleasure to submit photos to whatever organizations can list the variety. I have 2 examples of this coin, and 2 examples of another DDR that don't appear to have the same die indication markings as the Wexler listed varieties at doubleddie.com Would this be the correct place to start? http://conecaonline.org/content/con...butions.htmlIf I could simply send pictures as you mention, that'd be ideal as I'd rather not mail them to a 3rd party unless I have to. |
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Submitting the images first is the start. If they would like to see the coin in hand and take their own images, let them make that their request. When I found the first 2002-D DDR, I sent it to one person and others wanted it to photo as well, so it was sent from there to the next interested party. Sometimes a glancing coin contact can push the surface upward during damage. It so the area next to it should be lower. (kind of like a snow plow pushing snow) But sending the images first will see what they think and if it is something they want to photo. (if they do, then they usually list it in their files and let you know what the number is) |
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Upon further inspection, it is abundantly clear that all 4 of my DDR pieces are from the same die. They share identical spreading and identical die markings. I have sent photos of all 4 coins to CONCEA official variety attributor of LWC errors Mike Ellis via e-mail. It is a scary thought that I may be required to send off one of these coins for inspection by a third party, and potentially other third parties thereafter. Is that sort of fear unwarranted? Are these die variety organizations well-established in their trustworthiness or do damaging of coins, mix ups in shipping, and worse than all else, stolen coins occur? I appreciate your help and knowledge so much, man. Thanks a ton and a half. I think it's PSD as you mention; there does appear to be a gouge just before the raised surface, as though a shovel cut into the snow and pushed it further (to continue the snow metaphor  ) One other question that lingers in my mind is: does the value of a newly discovered error variety decrease if multiple coins are discovered at once? Without doubling, I figure the value of a MS 60-62 1929-P LWC is ~$20-$30. I haven't a clue what these pups will be worth, but I'd like to sell 3 of them for sure. Anyways, thanks again for your assistance in this. I'm finding it really fun to come on these forums and get help from everyone; you guys all brighten my day! |
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Depending on the grade it if is a 1929P-1DR-001, it could be in the 50-100 dollar range and would be very desirable. (because of its age and BU coin condition)
I would not worry about sending one off to them. They are safe and very careful with your coin. (send the better one, as it might be used for images) Just pack it safer than a normal coin you would send.
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