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New Member
Australia
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Hi all.
After my triumphant first question where I misidentified an upside down eagle standard for a galley mast (*facepalm*), I hope I have a slightly more sensible question for you all. I hope sensible questions are the first step towards one day actually being helpful and answering questions.
I picked this up recently online and the dates given were 336-323BC, making this a posthumous issue. I couldn't find another anywhere online though, so I was hoping to confirm the dates and also find out if there was any information on the mint location. I thought that since it was during the last 13 years of Alexander's life it could be almost anywhere, though a bust of Philip would make most sense in Greece and more specifically in Macedonia.
Lastly,if I'm going to start diving headfirst into Helenistic tetradrachms (I think I am), is there a big Krause style book with illustrations that would be your go to first reference?
Thanks again!
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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It is very rare to have a Phillip II tet minted while Alexander was ruling with only very few types minted most of which are in Pella and all of those types minted prior to Alexander coming to the throne (340BC-328BC.) In this case if it is posthumous it is most likely to be dated to 323bc-315bc or 317bc-305bc and most likely minted at Amphipolis the Primary International Mint of Macedonia as opposed to Pella the Primary Domestic Mint. If you upload a picture I can attribute it for you. In terms of books it is very hard and expensive to locate them though SNG Copenhagen is the most thorough of Macedonian Tets. To identify them without needing a book you can use Wildwinds here: https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=c...ds+philip+iiEdited by oh my florin
06/25/2015 01:12 am
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Moderator
 United States
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Can you post a picture of the coin?
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New Member
 Australia
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 I meant to do this in the first place :s |
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Valued Member
Canada
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It looks like a fake to me..
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New Member
Australia
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That's not a good sign, I might post a picture of the hemidrachm I got from the same seller for a similar opinion if you think it's warranted? Meanwhile here's the other side. If it is a fake then someone went to a lot of trouble, Phillips ear is impacted with crud and a lot of the marks appear to be elongated cut marks possibly from the die cutting rather than bubbles from casting. Do you think it's worth getting XRF'd to make sure it's silver or is it not even worth the bother?  |
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Australia
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I have to say that the strike is a little suspicious. Both off centre but on the correct orientation to coincidentally get the major elements in... Here's the hemidrachm from the same seller. The good news is that they were both sold as 100% authentic from the business seller so I'm fairly confident I can get a refund if it shakes out that they are fake.   |
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New Member
Australia
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I gave it a little filtered water and a gentle rub and got a little mud off of it, maybe this makes it a little clearer. A little more detail visible.  |
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Canada
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Edited by arnoldoe
06/25/2015 02:52 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Hey phrenzy pm me and I can direct you to some good dealers that I use if you want?
I specialise in Macedonian coins primarily minted in Macedonia too (3 of my 4 ancients coins are from Pella)
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06/25/2015 03:05 am
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New Member
Australia
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Indeed, they are on the list, I'm a little surprised they manage to be listed and sell these things while maintaining a 99.8 positive feedback. They're q pretty big seller so I'm confident of a refund but it's a little disappointing.
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New Member
Australia
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I can't email you since I am a new member, but I'd really appreciate that. I bought this along with a couple still in the mail before I attended my first numismatic society meeting, so I have a couple reputable dealers names now but I'd be really interested to get more.
Let's hope I do better with the lot still in the mail.
Thanks everyone!
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Fair enough phrenzy. With ancients tho the majority of sources are either in America or Europe of which the most reputable are CNG Coins who auction coins, Vcoins (collective site of dealers selling coins) and Sixbid (for searching multiple sources of auctions with one keyword.
If you want post up what you are looking for in terms of Alexander the Great, Philip II and your price range and I can recommend a number of coins for you.
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New Member
Australia
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I'm clearly a magnet for these people, I was just checking another coin I bought last week (my arrived) and the seller is on the same list as a possible seller of fakes. Looking at his other items makes me a bit nervous. Opinions on this one?   I only have this one and two others coming so this pity party won't go on much longer even if it's bad news. |
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Opinions on this one? An exact match for a documented cast fake on Forvm's Fake Coin Reports:  Quote:
appear to be elongated cut marks possibly from the die cutting rather than bubbles from casting Don't make the mistake of assuming that all fakes are cast. There are plenty of fakes struck from modern dies, unfortunately. When the style is good, they are REALLY hard to spot (hard or impossible to know for certain whether fake or legit). Edited by Kamnaskires
06/25/2015 09:20 am
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New Member
Australia
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That's not just a similar fake, that's the same coin! I bet that sneaky  got it returned and posted it for sale again! |
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