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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Having gone through the standard process of checking the fake lists I decided to bring it home with me for further checks. Now I'm seriously confused whether it is genuine or fake  The obverse legend I cant find anywhere, although there is supposed to be varieties known ( which I cant find ) Obverse - IMPCMIVLPHILIPPUSPFAVGPM ( 4th letter C not listed & last 2 letters PM should be below the bust ) Reverse - SPESFELICITATISORBIS - Spes holding flower and hem of skirt. The closest match is RIC IV 73, which this could be a variety of. Weight - 3.90 Size - 21mm x 23mm     Just wondering what your opinions are, could this be a variety or is it something else  TIA. |
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 United States
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It might be similar to a Limes Denarius. An Antonininius struck on the outskirts of the empire to pay the troops. But my first impression is that it's a cast fake.
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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Hi Ron,
Pretty sure its not cast, the edge picture may be a little deceptive as the shadow is making it look like a seam is present.
I was of the thinking that it could be a contemporary piece,
the reverse is a very good match for RIC 73 coins.
Its the lettering on the Obverse that's the puzzle for me, I have seen 2 varieties of the Obverse legend, neither match
mine though.
Hopefully someone knows how many varieties there are so we can narrow it down.
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Edited by Kamnaskires
07/01/2015 5:33 pm
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United Kingdom
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Top stuff BOBL   I always do a check on FAC but didn't find it  Do you have an opinion on its authenticity ? I am happy with it now it has been identified  |
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Try using Coinproject.com for future searches for this kind of stuff. The results link back to the image provider's page (at CNG, FAC, etc.) even when (as it seems) those pages are not accessible via searches conducted on those original sites. Quote:
Do you have an opinion on its authenticity ? I'm kind of middle-of-the-road on this one, to be honest. I understand Ron's hesitation. But I see your point about the edge - it looks good. I am not quite sure what to make of the detail at 6 o'clock on the obverse, below the bust. It sort of reminds me of the impression made by the edge of a coin as it is pressed into a mold. I'm not at all saying that's what it is...just that it gave me pause, and made me wonder. I know that with these Philip issues sometimes the beaded border swings around under the portrait, at 6 o'clock...but that doesn't seem to be what's going on here. Just thinking out loud. Curious to hear others' opinions... |
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my first thought was it was fake as well. I did think there was a seam, but if that's a shadow then good.
I'm also still uncertain. the details look a bit "soft", and i'd feel better about it if I could find some strong flow lines. if I had to decide, I would say it was a cast coin.
but if not on any of the fake lists, that's a good sign.
sorry, I'm not much help am i?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The type was minted at Antioch, not Rome. That makes if look a bit different.
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United States
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When it is this hard to determine legitimacy, some additional evidence is required. As in where you acquired the coin? One of the members linked a CNG coin, which is very similar. That CNG coin is extremely rare, which according to CNG means fewer than ten! So such a rare coin requires more scrutiny as to the seller.
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Are you sure about your camera settings ? Almost all digital cameras (even phones) have different settings for different light situations. In real life our brains automatically perform corrections on the light we see. We do not really notice that "incandescent" light is shifted over to the red.  A blue (or grey) sky will add a very noticeable shift in color if the camera is set to an indoor incandescent setting giving a silver coin an odd look. Look at the coin and compare to the pic. If the color is wrong look for the settings on the camera and try them all ! The coin may have that 'genuine' look if/when a 'genuine' color is provided. Or I suppose you could even try it in "rainbow" !  That is a very popular theme this summer !  Edited by FVRIVS RVFVS
07/02/2015 12:07 pm
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Many thanks for the replies folks, I will try and deal with them in order. The owner/seller of the coin is a forum member who has probably sold to several members and has no reason to besmirch his reputation by being dis-honest. It had been in his collection for approx 2yrs. We sat down together and spent several hours searching for and scrutinising the coin in question. Roman coins & values by David Sear didn't have it and we couldn't find it through various other searches, because of this we decided to call it a " barbarous " type. It wasn't the flan or metal that concerned us but the legend not being found. Now we know the legend is correct. I appreciate that my pictures are not the best and they tend to be taken indoors at night, my lighting is clearly not the best. I am off work 2moro so will get some daylight pics done to see if it looks any better. Rainbow permitting  CAESAR77, I understand your point but the lack of any known fakes and this being worth not much more than £100 makes me wonder why anyone would choose this type to fake Thx again for all your replies |
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