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I have not had time to shake down the authenticty of the coins in this sale, and they may not be prettiest,....but man would be happy to have this bunch!! Diamonds in the rough

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chain-cents...em3f50462437
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 Posted 07/15/2015  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That listing screams stay away to me. Why wouldn't you list those individually if they were all real?
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 Posted 07/15/2015  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PASS
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Most of these coins appear to have severe problems; corrosion, dings scratches etc. I'm pretty sure none would grade problem free if sent to a TPG. I would definitely pass, that asking price is ridiculously steep for problem coins if you ask me.
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 Posted 07/15/2015  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who needs two chain cents?
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 Posted 07/15/2015  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hijacked account. The title should give it away, if nothing else.

Love the description of the "Wreath Cent" he sold to some poor sucker for $663 (probably a shill to build confidence)

"Cheapest Wreath Cent ! With Full Date ! Smooth Surfaces ! And it smiles"

Chinese counterfeiter using stolen ebay account and equally stolen photo?

Run, don't walk, and please report as a stolen account.
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 Posted 07/15/2015  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
llewellin, that is a RIDICULOUS question. EVERYONE needs two chain cents!

I was just about to comment on what a cool gaggle that is. Didn't even look at the prices. I love coins like this, what can I say. But yeah, I'll pass.
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 Posted 07/15/2015  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scropper, I agree. I'd LOVE to have two chain cents. My bank account isn't on board yet. :P
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 Posted 07/15/2015  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where's just carl with his roll of chain cents when you need him?
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I love copper ,but that's crazy.
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 Posted 07/16/2015  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, I want a Chain Reverse cent too.
The only large cent design I'm missing for my type set.
But not the one in that mix.
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I don't understand the vitriol on this thread. Not every collector got the message to "buy the best example you can afford." I did the reverse for years. Every over-eager collector will, within their means, accumulate a population of second- and third-best coins, as well as unnecessary duplicates. Even scrupulous collectors will "upgrade" items as preferable specimens come along. In this case, the collector purging this group just had a bigger budget than most.
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My thinking is that this lot would be much more sellable if broken into smaller lots to eliminate the duplicates.

With such expensive coins, most collectors (myself included) can only dream of obtaining one example ever for financial reasons. I don't have a problem with problem coins as long as I like them; I'd certainly go for some of these if I had the money if they were pieced out. However, this lot as it stands is impractically listed in my eyes because such high dollar coins are in duplicates. Also that's a lot of money to throw at a lot you haven't seen in hand.

The just carl reference wasn't mean with any mean spirit, just a bad joke referencing his previous funny posts about having rolls of 1913 V nickels etc.
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 Posted 07/16/2015  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Occam's razor.

- Low feedback? Check.
- Seller has absolutely no information about payment, shipping or policies? Check.
- Nonexistent pictures and description except the first shot? Check. (Taken from a distance, harder to identify fakes, no close-ups, no opposite-side pictures)
- Listing title does not match sale? Check.
- Inactive account for over a year followed by sudden listing of high value item? Check.
- "Test" listing right before this one won by a NARU'ed bidder? Check.
- Previous listing had unusual language, and description did not match item? Check. (Coin was definitely not "full date")

It's not vitriol, just facts. This thing has 100% of the hallmarks of a scam. Think about the kind of listing you'd make if you were selling these coins, and then go look at this one. Wouldn't you want a highly-detailed description, tons of pictures (including, possibly, the other side of the coins..?), detailed payment and shipping information, attributions, individual coin photos, etc?

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Coins appear genuine to me, he does post an image of the reverses, he does attribute the 1793's. Yes they are all problem coins and would not slab except as detail coins, so what. My only comment is he is asking above full retail. I see maybe $8 - 9k or so in value there with most of it in the 1793's and the 1795 half. And like I said that would be retail value.

Who need two chain cents? I do. In fact I have three (S-2, 3, and 4) and I need one more to finish the set.
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07/16/2015 11:14 am
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From his feedback, it looks like he's sold in the past, but not an experienced seller. Selling coins worth thousands in a junk lot format is not a good way to go.

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