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1973-D Half Possible Stutter Strike (Topic Change)

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 Posted 07/18/2015  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Doug. I made a note of that. I am assuming it applies to all of the coins minted and not just cents.

I missed seeing that discussion.
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 Posted 07/18/2015  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Md selling for $40? Please explain ... I was wondering if my lincoln had a premium value being so severe as well


Here is the sale - I originally saw this on another CCF post.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-D-LINC...5&rmvSB=true
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Well would ya look at that. Looks like mine IS a relatively valuable one. I think I'll hang on to it right now though but if u put yours up let us track it
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Partial collars only affect part of the edge. (reeding partially formed)
Non reeded coins:
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Reeded coins:
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I see classic machine damage on your coin.
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if u put yours up let us track it


Funny about that - I was going to ask you the same thing.
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I know someone else can see the MAD also, check the Obv then the Rev....
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I know someone else can see the MAD also, check the Obv then the Rev....


I do see a slight MAD...I was focusing more on what the area below the date as a sloping shoulder might be suggesting. As Doug pointed out - this was minted before the Reverse was the hammer die, so it is probably not a stutter strike. Coop calls it an MD which it certainly is, but what is the significance of the sloping shoulder? Is that typical of a MAD?
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Pete, can you please help me with the Hammer Die info, I need to be educated on that, thanks...
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Cascade, we often see on coin forums someone posting a coin and others replying, "no premium." While they're saying that in kindness, they're also meaning that it's MD (strike doubling, stutter strike, flat field doubling, die chatter -- all synonyms) are not "classified" [literally] as an error and, moreover, are not doubled dies. I agree with this.

On the other hand, the no-premium generalization does not mean that you can't sell it. There's a market for anything and there are people who collect unique-looking coins, even though they are not doubled dies (or RPMs or off-center strikes, etc.)

I believe the caveat should be as long as someone is selling a coin that is properly identified and/or attributed as to what the issue is, then it can definitely be sold.
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Pete, can you please help me with the Hammer Die info, I need to be educated on that, thanks...



In an earlier response, Doug gave a link to the hammer/anvil die information:

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Scroll to the bottom topic reply.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/.ms=anvil,die
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Thanks for your response, profiler...well said!

and to CCF!
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Ok thanks Pete, I will read this....
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 Posted 07/18/2015  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just checked ebay for "Machine Double" sold listings...there are some!

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You've got a minor misaligned die on the obverse. The slight duplication of the outer part of the letters on the reverse is a rather unusual manifestation of Machine Doubling. I suppose the closest form of Machine Doubling would be rim-restricted design duplication. Such errors involve the hammer die bouncing off the surface of a newly-struck coin, shifting laterally, and landing lightly on the design rim, leaving an extra set of raised design elements.

The coin does not have a stutter strike. Type I stutter strikes hinge on the presence of a stiff collar error, which this coin doesn't have. Additionally, the reverse face of this coin was struck by the anvil die, and Type I sutter strikes are generated only by the hammer die.

To clear up a misconception, stutter strikes have nothing to do with Machine Doubling. Machine Doubling occurs after the downstroke has reached completion. Stutter strikes occur in the early phase of the downstroke, well before completion.
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Thanks for that helpful info mikediamond and thanks for those partial collar images Coop, now I know a lot of sellers on ebay don't know what they are listing! LOL...
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