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How Do You Make It . . . Accurate?

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 Posted 01/04/2008  12:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add maltuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
How-Do-You-Make-It-.-.-.-Accurate?
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How's that look? White balance totally wrong, yea, I know. But, if I fixed the white balance, how's the lighting? Too much in the center along a flushed area?

Now how about this...
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Different lighting angle just makes them jump out at me here, whereas in the previous, they don't seem that much.

Now for some closeups of that section of marks . . .
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Are those counting marks (from the coin going through a counter) or something else?

How-Do-You-Make-It-.-.-.-Accurate?
Of course, the red is what I think are "bag" marks, but the marks that I tried to make blue lines semi-parallel to.. are those counter marks?

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Now, whoosh, change the lighting and the bag? marks seem to vanish almost completely - imagine if I were to sell this coin on ebay using these photos. Seems very deceptive, although I can't deny it's much more flattering to the coin.

How full is this head?
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Ack, she has a torn up thigh !
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Now, there is a mark right below the second star from the top, a kind of diagonal dark line. Is that a die mark of some kind? or another counting mark? Unfortunately, this one, the photo just doesn't seem to show how it really looks, but I thought I'd show it anyways.
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So I'm still quite low on climbing that learning curve hill as far as results, but I'm having fun! I do have some questions for you experts, however (thanks for those who respond!)

What do you think of the photos that reveal the areas I'm most concerned about on the coin? Are they too harsh, not harsh enough, what? I'm mainly talking in terms of lighting (I know the wb is wrong, color worthless).

The dilemma I'm having is that if I want to post pictures in the grading area sometime in the future, how do I most accurately do it? I mean, I can take a picture that really seems to hide a lot, or maybe that's just my ignorance showing in terms of how people grade. I can also take photos where I say, "WOW, it looks AWEFUL, is that the same coin?" Tricky, I tell you.

On the other hand, I'm enjoying trying to be artistic and still enjoying being able to look at three coins from just photographing one I own. Hehehe. It's fun !

By the way, these are the first photos from my new rig (Canon 40D and Canon f/2.8 100mm macro lens). Yay !
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 Posted 01/04/2008  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This took about a 1 minute in the free program Picasa2. I clicked "Basic Fixes," a 1 click color & lighting fix, & then under "Tuning," I clicked the Wand under "Neutral Color Picker."

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 Posted 01/04/2008  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maltuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help! I'll have to check out that program...

So far, I haven't done anything with software other than using mspaint to resize/shrink/crop photos.

Thanks again !

Now, if I can figure out how to light it right, hehehe.
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 Posted 01/04/2008  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the link:

http://picasa.google.com/

You can also adjust the lighting & contrast in Picasa.
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 Posted 01/04/2008  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the white balance fixed, very nice coin photos. You are getting the hang of lighting, obviously, for silver. You may find copper coins and proofs each have their own nuances when it comes to getting the lighting right. Your 40d should have a white balance adjustment you make ahead of photographing the coin that will give you the right appearance.

You also did a nice job showing how photos can either hide or exacerbate the appearance of flaws. Remember that digital macro photography can make all but the most perfect coins look beat up, so you have to strive for a photo that closely resembles the coin in-hand when you post in the grading forum.

You will be very happy with that camera and lens. I recently got a Nikon's D80 and the 105 mm macro. My first pics of coins have been very promising.

BTW, nice type I SL quarter. The marks on the back don't bother me much, but too bad about the gouge on the thigh. Probably the most beautiful coin ever to come out of the US Mint.
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01/04/2008 07:43 am
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 Posted 01/04/2008  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maltuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea, the scratch on the thigh makes me want to cry.

These photos are the first time I've had the coin out of the original glued 2x2 I got from the dealer. The 2x2 had a very thin plastic lining for the coin, and even when I first looked at it in the dealer's store, it was scuffed and damaged in a few spots (around lettering in two spots, but you had to look really close). Still, it seemed that the inside was very intact, and it was within my budget. However, it was my first coin ever, and I didn't know what really to look for in terms of scratches or not scratches or whatever. Although I had looked at all the things I pointed out in my little red/blue line diagram from the first time I considered buying it, it wasn't until I actually took the quarter out of the plastic that I actually noticed the scratch on the thigh. It was very saddening. My only other SLQs aren't in good enough shape to have anything there, so I originally assumed it was just part of the folds of her dress or something (*smacks forehad*). Learning experience !

I have stared at that coin so many times in the 2x2 wondering what it would look like out in the open, so this camera was an excuse - I put on a glove and carefully cut around the furthest part of the 2x2 so I couldn't come close to the actual coin. Then I just turned the 2x2 slightly and the top "peel" of the plastic just came up on it's own, allowing me to grabe the coin by the edges with my gloved fingertips.

I looked hard at the TEAR in the thigh and was like, OMG, did I just do that accidentally? Then I looked at the previous pictures and it was there, just obscured by the plastic, or the lighting or both. It just looks much shorter and less obvious, at least to my untrained eye, in the original photos I posted. And of course, perhaps I overpaid for the coin, but I don't worry about that; I had the money and I spent it on something I've enjoyed and will enjoy in the future, and I can't expect to make perfect buying decisions when I know so little about coins. I'm happy with the coin, to be sure.

Anyways, even though the scratch was already there, it got me to thinking about setting it down very carefully, what I use for a base (set the coin on, how hard/scratchy is it), etc. For these photos, I was using as a caligraphy practice board, which is not that hard and very smooth. Still, if the relief is high enough that the rim is not as deep as Liberty's thigh, it is always a possibility that setting it down on something too hard to photograph it could cause a scratch like that.

And yes, I really do love SLQs (both obverse and reverse, and especially the Type 1 - seems more dramatic to me) from my very first novice sighting of one, I was just drawn to it. There are other very very beautiful coins, but that one I just like a lot.
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