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Is This Considered Machine Doubled?

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I'm still learning

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Yes, MD. It is flat and shelf like.
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For me, on this one, the tell is the N. See how the bottom corner is reduced in size quite radically.
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Agree with you both.
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I can't really see any doubling on that coin.
Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes it can be difficult to tell the difference. An example would be the 1950 DDR-001 cent.


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By the way, I found this one a while back, looking through some old wheat cents that I had in the closet from years ago.
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Thank you everyone for all your help and sharing the knowledge
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Btw, what's the date of the coin you posted. It looks (to me) somewhat similar to a 1966 DDR that was only dicovered 2 or 3 years ago now. Found on the "CONECEA Archives, Recent Finds.

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Quote:
It looks (to me) quite similar to a 1966 DDR that was only dicovered 2 or 3 years ago now.


Is this the one?
http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...icleId=24160
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Yes, that's the one - just showing a different area of the same coin. I'm still in the learning stage, but this coin and the 1950 you posted have a look similar to Machine Doubling to me.
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The 1950 does resemble MD, but if you look on the photo you posted, you can clearly see the raised secondary image. It isn't flat and shelf like at all, and at a distance the devices appear wider, not smashed narrow like MD.
I'm still not seeing the doubling the original poster is referring to.
This page shows shows a few examples:http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/m...oubling.html

Coop has some images that explain it well.
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I agree the 1950 DDR does look like Machine Doubling. CONECA only has one die listed for a DDR on their e-disk. That one is not it. Theirs show hub doubling on the EPU area.
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
Claude: could you post some closer images to see if the doubling is the same as the one on coppercoins?
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I have some more photos of this coin on ths page: http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/1...0Photos.html


Let me know if you want some more. I don't have the best camera....yet
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Comparing those images with the ones on coppercoins, there are slight differences. So that makes me questioning this die. The "E" in CENT appears to taper in and reduce the devices. I'd like to see many of the different examples of this die number. I'm not convinced with this attribution yet.
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Ok, I don't give up easily. But the 1950P-1DR-001 is a true hub doubled example. I had the brain going on this one and did a side by side with a normal coin and the 001 from coppercoins. It is what you need to see side by side to prove it.
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Folling the black lines on the images on the right, you can see where the edge of the normal reverse and the hub doubled example are wider. (the doubling is rounding and not exactly vertical) but it is what I needed to see to be convinced.
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Thank you Coop.
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Another helpful discussion - especially the side by side comparisons, which really help with the understanding. Thanks cwb and coop.
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