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1853 Seated Half W/ Arrows And Rays

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I bought it off of ebay for $65.

VF35 is what I think.

Thanks!

(It's not cleaned, and that on the reverse is patina.)

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 Posted 07/25/2015  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An absolutely beautiful half dollar, regardless of any technical disparagement's. A good price too.

It is always difficult to know from a picture if a coin has been cleaned, unless you can clearly see parallel fine lines that dig into the surface across both fields and design elements.

I love coins with circulation cameo. Or the topmost elements of the design having a lighter color than the fields and hidden recesses.

But I've also learned that coins that are dipped - instead of abrasively cleaned - often show a "halo" affect. This being a darkening area around the elements, such as around the stars or the details of the design.

While the coin you present does have the hint of having such a halo, I still believe that this is a wonderful addition for a wonderful price.

Congratulations.
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Yeah no hairlines here! I made sure of it
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Good-looker. Congrats.
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I think this would grade EF-40.
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Put me in the XF40 camp. Excellent eye appeal. No major distractions.
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Beautiful coin! You did well. I'm XF-40 on the obverse but I am strongly XF-45 on the reverse, so however those would get blended I'll leave to the experts.
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XF-40
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Awesome! Thanks everyone!
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I'll chime in with 40 as well.
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VF-25 in my opinion. Too much wear for XF.
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Sorry, but I think it's XF details cleaned. Circulated coins don't tone like that unless they've been cleaned.
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I'm changing my opinon. I think you're right, Ed.
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What are you thinking?

There's no hairlines whatsoever on the reverse or obverse and it doesn't look cleaned under light.
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Looks like it was dipped at some point and retoned. That is fairly common - TPG's often ignore it.
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The obverse appears to have die cracks (?) Look @ the right arm (viewer's left) between elbow and wrist, two lines or cracks running radially splitting star #2. I'm not sure if that's a severe hit under the 2nd star or a toning / camera artifact. Also looks like either a lamination issue or possibly some sort of die clashing going on from left arm down to left knee, with two scratches or cracks in the field directly east of the left wrist.

Reverse has some minor issue below bottom arrowhead extending southward and eastward from the arrowhead to the L in DOL. and the rim, respectively.

Not sure any of those would cause me to think it'd get a body bag as the wear is commensurate for the predicted grade and the surfaces appear to be mostly naturally toned. Perhaps the remains are there of a many-years-ago cleaning, but it was sympathetic, perhaps a dip, not abrasive.





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