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I think it's a real 1913 Nickel. Or is it Nickle? Just made to look fake so it could be sold easier.  |
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or maybe it's an altered 1918? 1912 was the final year of the series. This coin is PMD/altered 1910. I think you missed his smiley |
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Quote:All 1913 Liberty nickels are fake. The (5) fake coins that were made at the mint were never monetized nor condoned by the mint. (emphasis added) Fake? They were made at the mint. So were 1804 dollars and 1933 St. Gaudens double eagles, but they're not considered fake. No 1804-dated dollars were ever officially minted for circulation - those that were minted were minted for numismatic purposes after production had ceased. No 1933 double eagles were ever monetized or officially released for circulation. And yet both issues are considered genuine. The 5 1913 V nickels were minted at the mint for numismatic purposes after production had ceased (like the 1804 dollar) and were never monetized or release for circulation (like the 1933 $20), so it should not be considered fake. Yes, I know the circumstances of the 1913 V nickel, but I'm just making a point. Those 5 coins are genuine. TPGs don't label them countefeit or send them back in body bags - they slab them as genuine. Perhaps a better word might be "spurious." |
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 You nailed it, Aahz |
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Aww, shux...  **draws toe in dirt** |
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Some years ago, I visited a coin shop in Louisville. There were three of these in the shop, priced at $20, each. They were housed in a vinyl page, along with a number of old tokens. I bought a handful of tokens and couldn't resist buying one of these altered 1913's for my own "Black Cabinet." I've since had some fun, showing it to club members. Remembering coins like this can wave a mental red flag for collectors at times that impulse might override common sense.
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All 1933 Double Eagles were considered fake until (1) was monetized by the US Government in 2002, all others are considered fake/illegal not genuine US currency. All 1804 dollars were minted legally circa 1836. They were all monetized and released by the US Mint.
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08/11/2015 5:10 pm
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Are we really arguing whether or not the five 1913 Liberty nickels are real or fake? Really?  We can argue the legality, sure, but calling them fake?  |
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If sombody took mint dies of the 1913 nickel and made them in his basement, would they not be considered fake/counterfeit?........is there really any difference because they were made inside the mint and not in someones basement? If you were to spend one of the 1913 nickels, you would be committing a crime as they are are not real US currency. If you spent a 1933 double eagle, you would be committing a crime as they are not US currency (unless it was the (1) 1933 double eagle that the US Government monetized in 2002)
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is there really any difference because they were made inside the mint and not in someones basement? Yes - they were made inside the mint. Using mint equipment. On mint-produced planchets. Presumably by a mint employee. In fact, the 1804 dollar restrikes (class II and III) were produced the same way, but nobody calls them fake or counterfeit. Quote:
If you spent a 1933 double eagle, you would be committing a crime as they are not US currency (unless it was the (1) 1933 double eagle that the US Government monetized in 2002) True, but that is beside the point. Just because the one was monetized doesn't make it any more real or the other 445,499 of them any less real. Are the two held in the Smithsonian fakes or counterfeits? What about the 1913 V nickel in the Smithsonian? Or the one in the ANA Money Museum? Absence of monetization makes them illegal to own/spend, but doesn't make them fake. The point is that the 5 1913 V nickels are not fakes or counterfeits any more than the 1804 dollars or 1933 St. Gaudens are. Illegally produced, perhaps, but not fake. EDIT: This discussion seems to have hijacked this thread. I started a new one here specifically for this argument. Now, back to your regularly-scheduled topic. Edited by Aahz
08/12/2015 01:05 am
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Yes - they were made inside the mint. Using mint equipment. On mint-produced planchets. Presumably by a mint employee *** Edited by Staff to add quote tags. Please use them in the future. Posts are very difficult to read without them.***So by your reasoning, if a mint employee today, got hold of mint-produced planchet of, say, a 1913 Liberty nickel and used mint equipment to produce it, than it would not be a counterfeit/fake coin? Edited by g048406
08/12/2015 06:28 am
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Quote:So by your reasoning, if a mint employee today, got hold of mint-produced planchet of, say, a 1913 Liberty nickel and used mint equipment to produce it, than it would not be a counterfeit/fake coin? It would then be a restrike. Edited by TypeCoin971793
08/12/2015 07:53 am
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Obviously not real. A real 1913 would never have circulated that much. What about 1894 S Dimes? Most of them were spent, and some are in AG/G condition. |
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Of the five pieces, they grade:
Eliasberg: Proof-66
Olsen: Proof-64
Walton: Proof-63
Norweb: Unknown
McDermott: Unknown
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