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Dos Reales 1864

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Greetings from over on the 'dark side'
(ancient Greek & Roman)

I picked this up in a batch of Weimar (wall paper) banknotes.
Twelve dollars (US) for that and a crumpled 20 euro note !


I have no clue but I am guessing Mexico.
Measures 5.5 x 12cm

Any help in identification will be most appreciated.

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08/15/2015 8:45 pm
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In my haste to get out the door I had forgotten to post pics !

Hopefully that will help out a little bit .......
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You got a 20 euro note, worth 22 dollars, for 12 dollars. Nice. I've never been that lucky. Bought a pound coin for fifty Euro cents once.
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Not only that but a 100 kronor note too ($12)

It was a proverbial "no brainier"

But my brain hungers to know what this note is all about.
I believe it is of course connected to the second Mexican Empire and the Emperor Maximilian who was installed by Napoleon III of France in the Spring of 1864.
But that is intuited by the year and date
I can find no references for this type of note.

I am supposing that to be a good thing ?
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What I can deduce so far

The printer William A Speaight & Co New York published blank books used in the accounting business.

A Captain William A Speaight of New York was serving in the Union Army at this time.

The installation of the Emperor Maximilian in Mexico was antithetical to American interests at this period and only allowed to happened due to the US Civil War.

So a company with no history of printing anything but blank or lined pages decided to make monetary 'notes'for a neighboring country which the US Government probably viewed as potentially hostile ?

The name Thomas (Gow ?) signed on the note certainly appears to be 'anglo' but the month (Noviembre) is clearly written in Spanish.


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Looks like it's private scrip issued for a hacienda (estate) somewhere in Spanish America - perhaps one owned by a wealthy Anglo.
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