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I notice that many common Morgans on ebay are slabbed and graded , yet, still sell for small money. I wonder if there is a way to make a little profit on these coins? I wonder if I could trade them at LCS for something better since these coins have been graded which costs probably $25 added to the price. Do you see what I am driving at? I can buy the same coin at the LCS that is not graded for equal to what the graded coins sell for. There must be a margin there. I really don't want slabbed coins that are common but somebody might be willing to pay up for the graded coin.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those slabbed coins are mostly ones submitted which the submitter ultimately lost money on due to ignorance or grade / attribution gambling.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, and any coin dealer would only give you say 40%-60% of buy value on a purchase with slightly more on a trade so there's really no margin to be had
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 Posted 08/17/2015  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DeodatusAlp2002 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't try buying those common graded morgans that are slab. I'm pretty sure the person selling the coins submitted a batch of coins, then sorting out lower grades.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coins I got were all MS63 and prices were about 5%-10% below Red Book prices. I was looking for MS63 types for more common Morgans since I can get these coins for less that $100. Until I get all the common ones in MS63-64 I am probably not going to buy more expensive ones. This is just the way I do it. I got the ones I bought that were graded for 50-60 dollars. The ones for sale were slabbed and graded. This must be a real losing proposition for the seller. Perhaps I should try for slightly higher grade, but on ebay these will probably be slabbed as well. I could go on ebay right now and specify MS64 Morgans and 95% of coins would be slabbed I bet. Perhaps they get discount on grading due to larger numbers of coins to be graded. I can't understand why they would grade coins that are common and easily obtainable at LCS or shows. Is there any downside to just cracking the slabs and putting them in my Dansco book? I understand why collectors buy rare and expensive coins that are slabbed just to prove authenticity. I never really considered trying to put together a complete set of Morgans but somehow I now have nine of them. I am falling under the spell of these iconic coins. I know I am an unsophisticated collector and I just buy what I like.

So from selling point of view there is no advantage to selling slabbed coins over non-slabbed coins especially to a coin dealer who grades the coins according to his own ideas anyway? I like these MS63-64 Morgans because I am buying a mint silver coin over 100 years old for less than $75 bucks in most cases. Where can you find big silver coins in that condition for that price? If you bought Liberty Walking halfs in MS63 you would pay much more for even common ones I think. The Morgans are not all that much more expensive than early Silver Eagles in mint condition.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Short story to that last part of your second paragraph is that morgans were minted in extreemly high numbers and many millions were put into storage for over 60 years. It 8's unlike any other coin series in regards to the availability of gem, mint state coins that are 100yrs old. To put things into perspective for you read chapters 13-15 here about the Morgan dollar. It's a GREAT read!

http://www.pcgs.com/books/silver-dollars/
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 Posted 08/18/2015  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read the chapters 13-15 from the Morgan dollar. That is a lot of information. I get that you can collect the coins in any form you wish. I go with collecting the common dates in MS63 and when I have them I will reconsider based on price. Unfortunately, price does matter to me. I will just collect them in the best condition I can afford. I am still collecting LSQ's and some other coins. I just particularly like the Morgans because so many are collectable in mint condition even if they are common. Even the more rare ones are there in mint if you can afford it.
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 Posted 08/18/2015  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also 100's of millions of Morgans were melted down and nobody knows which ones were melted and which were not melted so mintage may not be accurate determination of how many coins still exist. I read that in 1970'-80's when silver prices were high common and rare coins were melted for silver value.
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We know a lot more about the extant quantity of Morgans than one may think. We have TPG Populations, an accurate accounting of the GSA sales, and a huge collector base actively seeking and learning about them. I can direct you to over three thousand individual auction results for 1893-S, and four thousand for 1889-CC (and nearly 20,000 for 1881-S, as an example). We *know* which issues - most of them - aren't worth $75 in MS63. Keep in mind, Chapters 13-15 in the Morgan and Peace Encyclopedia were written forty years ago, and we've come a distance since. Yes, we lack specific precise numbers, but we've got a pretty good idea of commonality for every issue in every grade. Only the VAMs are still being counted.
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 Posted 08/18/2015  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there any good reason not to crack coins out of their slabs? Somebody paid up to have these coins graded, but I want to keep them in Dansco albums. I imagine they store better in a slab than in an album. I am buying the coins for myself and plan on just holding onto them unless I trade up for a better coin to augment my collection set. If there is no added value to having the coins slabbed is there a good reason to keep them slabbed if I would rather have them in the Dansco album? When I get a set completed I put them in a safe deposit box. Is there a service that will insure coin sets besides homeowners insurance policy? I would rather have the coins where I could look at them
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 Posted 08/18/2015  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, they're your coins now. If your like albums crack em out. Only exception would be high dollar coins or coins who's authenticity is questionable out of a slab. I use bolt cutters you would think it's overkill but they work like a hot knife through butter with minimal if any cracking of the center coin area

Oh and there are companies who will insure anything you like. I think Taylor Swifts legs are insured for 40 million
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Yes, usually somebody has to appraise the coins or legs and that costs money. They you have to pay for the insurance. I did that with some diamond rings that were part of a probate thing. Thanks for the advise. Bolt cutters to the rescue.
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 Posted 08/18/2015  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When it comes to Morgans, just ask yourself this question: "Is there a market for 50,000 of these 1881-S's in MS63 slabs when anybody can afford a nice 65?" The only sane answer is, "Um, no."

This is the general skepticism with which it is appropriate to look at slabbed Morgans, especially if you're personally comfortable with authenticity and planning on holding for the long term (the weight of your collection alone at that point being the best argument for individual authenticity). A certain small plurality remain preferable in slabs, like any issue.

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