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Unusual 1902 Indian Cent: Wrong Planchet And Strike Error?

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I just found this today, and haven't yet done research on it, but thought people would get a kick seeing. Obviously, this cent is struck on the wrong planchet in some kind of white metal. I doubt it's silver because of the weight: 3.0 gr, but perhaps on a planchet meant for a foreign country? I know less about striking errors, but it seems the collar to the die was broken (correct me if I'm wrong here).

Nothing more can be said at this point, so here are the pics (colors were adjusted to get as true as possible to the coin):

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 Posted 01/09/2008  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like it been in TranX or a dip for a few day that will take the copper brass look away from the coin.
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Hmmm...The problem with that theory is there are a few recent but tiny scratches that reveal a white metal. (It's very clear under the scope)
I have more info that I'll post later.
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I find it interesting that it circulated so long to get that much wear, yet it is so different from a normal IHC. The foreign planchet is a good theory since no period US coins had that weight or composition. Is the diameter normal or is it broadstruck too?
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Yeah...I'm surprised too, because it certainly looks like it was used in commerce.
The diameter is somewhat irregular, so I didn't measure it. I'm hardly an expert on broadstruck coins but since the collar is broken, and I see expansion around the denticles, I would guess that could be a possibility. Thanks for commenting!
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Something to consider is the possibility of it just being a forgery. Someone made their own dies using a real coin. Then they struck the thing on an unknown, at this point , white metal. That would account for their being no collar.

It bears a close examination but this is a possible scenario.
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Bill, yes--that crossed my mind too! We'll see...I'm getting it examined by an expert.
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It looks like it was once in one of those lucky penny key chains.
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quote:
It looks like it was once in one of those lucky penny key chains.


Hmm...interesting. And, that would be a tragic outcome for such an unusual coin.
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Most likley...

It's the center of a good luck penny encasement that was plated. That's what happened to the rims, anyway.
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I considered the plating too, but I studied numerous scratches at 400X that were recent, and should have shown the underlying bronze. This penny also weighs less than the average bronze cent. I agree that it most likely was put in a "lucky penny" holder, and that's a real shame.
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My next best bet would be fake, then. It's not a date that would have been likely for patterns of any kind, and I guess could be a foreign planchet...most likely type would be the Philippines at that time.

Ask Rick Snow...he'd be glad to put a glass to it.
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