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Theories And Questions On Woodie Cents.

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I feel as if this will be an interesting topic.

I was recollecting tonight on something a member Said regarding the thin lined "wood grain" on cents.

Such as this coin.

Theories-And-Questions-On-Woodie-Cents.

One of the things they stated was the possibility that this is not the result of an improperly mixed alloy. Perhaps dirt from rollers, etc, before the striking happens, so the design is then pressed into the coin. He also states that lamination usually don't happen on these typed of "wood grain" cents. Those are some of the main arguments against these being the result of improperly mixed alloys.

But, there is a catch! What I just thought was, well, why does this only happen to copper coins? Why are there no thin lined wood grain zinc cents if this is true?

Maybe the copper plating is pure and there for not dirty? So the thin lines would not be created? Hmmm. Maybe.

Maybe the wood grain is an effect of an improper alloy? This wood make since considering that they only appear on copper coins.

Please feel free to add to the conversation, please feel free to correct me, please feel free to ask questions.
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interesting
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I always wanted to cut into a woody to see if the "wood grain" continues all the way through, or is the "wood grain" just laying on the surface.
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Ha tunnioc. I was just about to say sacrifice one and cut it in half. Too funny. Although I thought about it as I was reading the post
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I know on some older wheat cents, you can actually see the tin and zinc not properly mixed with the copper. But these memorial cents I suspect something else.
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I don't think the stripes on copper-alloy cents minted between 1978 and 1982 have anything to do with an inadequately mixed alloy. My best guess is that they're roller stains. Similar stripes occur on other denominations. See this article for a more thorough discussion:

http://www.coinworld.com/insights/d...rstood.html#
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minted between 1978 and 1982


What changed in 1978 from pre 1978? I know that pre 1962 the cent composition was 95% copper and 5% zinc and tin, and that in 1962, the tin was removed.
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Nothing changed as far as the alloy is concerned. It's just that "woodies" like the one that heads this thread are restricted to this time period. Earlier "woodies" ARE improper alloy mix errors.
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Why are there no thin lined wood grain zinc cents if this is true?

The metal stock sheets for Zincolns are zinc, not copper alloy. The planchets are plated with pure copper after they are punched from the stock sheets so any roller lines would be obscured by the plating process. Thin parallel lines can also be found occasionally on clad coins as well so it is not necessarily limited to cents.
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Woodies got their name originally from resembling wood on Lincoln cents. They do transcend to other denominations as well. They do not have to resemble wood, they can be in various colors. They do have to have the "lines" which can appear on one side of the coin or both sides. When on both sides, the lines match up when flipped. The improper alloy mix is just that, it was improperly mixed - or insufficiently mixed. This is why they appear on one side or two. If it appears on one side, that side of the planchet's metal was insufficiently mixed. This also explains why the lines (or streaks) can be heavy or light.
Woodies are often confused with topical substances such as stains; they are also often confused with the resulting appearance caused by various dips, such as acids. The confusion is easily alleviated on circulated coins by noting the high relief areas. The true Woody will retain it's streaks in spite of wear.
While these coins do not command the premiums of most varieties and errors, they often surpass the other types in sheer beauty. For this reason, many collectors find them a welcome addition to their collections.
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Very well explained.
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Mike, I just read your article. You sir, have a fine mind. Have you considered the possibility that the narrow stripes are just less insufficiently mixed? This theory would be in harmony with stirring a can of paint. I believe it would also account for the lack of lamination errors. You are hugely more versed on the minting processes than I, so please pardon me if I'm out of line for throwing that out.
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The metal stock sheets for Zincolns are zinc, not copper alloy


They are zinc, but it is a Zinc Alloy - Alloy 190, to be exact.

A description may be seen here:
http://www.jardenzinc.com/techdata/...c_Alloys.pdf
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I don't believe the narrow, closely-spaced stripes reflect a poorly mixed alloy for several reasons. First, you see them in clad coins, and clad layers don't seem very prone to this sort of error. Second, the stripes appear to be quite superficial in that you can see that they're worn through on more heavily circulated specimens.

One of the biggest mysteries, at least when it comes to nickels and clad coins, is their frequent association with a gray or brown coloration. There's no reason why mint discoloration (whether from improper annealing or some other cause) should have any association with rolling marks.
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Second, the stripes appear to be quite superficial in that you can see that they're worn through on more heavily circulated specimens.


What about those Cents dated 1978 to 1982 where you can see the lines on both the Obverse and the Reverse running in the same direction?

They mostly seem to be weaker on one side or the other, but clearly present.
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I have one cent that is lightly worn and the stripes seem to disappear in the areas of wear (e.g., Lincoln's cheekbone). However, I'd like to see a more heavily worn specimen to make sure my observation holds up.
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