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Earlier in the thread a few people were convinced this is a counterfeit. The queen's portrait does look amateurish. Check out the hair. Plus they said there is no way the core can be moved in production.
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The core can not be rotated or reversed because of the way a toonie is produced a outer ring, then the center plug is placed and the two dies strike to squish out the core and lock into the outer ring, what you have here is a outer ring with a miss cut hole and then the core was struck into it to form this toonie.
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kafka here is a link to the counterfeits http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/no-gl...mp-1.906668.. take some time there is all kinds of Canadian counterfeit toonies. just remember there is collectors looking for these. just like they auction counterfeit Canada postage stamps. they are auctioned as counterfeit. |
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kafka counterfeit toonies has been discussed here before. this might be helpful to you as well here's the link https://goccf.com/t/146468 |
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Can I sell this on ebay? Is it legal to sell a counterfeit? |
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I agree with DBM. That portrait is cartoonish. It's also a counterfeit like the first coin in the thread. john100 look closer, it is missing a lot of details on the reverse. Kafka, as far as I know it's against ebay policy to sell a counterfeit. Has SPP taken a look at it yet? Edited by Altaira
02/12/2016 10:56 am
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The fake toonies were from 2004 and 2005 , in my opinion, you have a off centered core toonie and a pretty cool one for this year, not a counterfeit.
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Sure looks counterfeit to me. The utterly mushy portrait of the queen is positioned correctly but the other side is rotated. It's possible the fake inner part made to look like an error was inserted inside an actual toonie because the outer ring appears to have more realistic looking lustre (can't tell for sure from the pic).
It's definitely illegal to sell and also buy counterfeit coin (unless your intent is to turn it over police) and for good reason. While people might proclaim they "collect" counterfeit coin, it isn't getting destroyed and there's no guarantee it won't later end up back up for sale.
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The first pictured coin has small pry marks, where someone rotated the center core, the second coin has the right rotation for the dies to strike and correct toonie with an off centered core and all the incise looks right, unless my eyes are deceiving me.
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A standard 1999 Nunavut toonie:  The image NorthSideTy posted from page 2. It's rotated but the (mushy) effigy of the queen is not.  Edited by wildflowerAB
02/12/2016 11:30 am
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The Queens's head and the colour of the metal don't seem right to me! I'm assuming it's a fake. I can post more (better pictures) when I get home if anybody needs a better angle?
Thanks for the helpful info. Let me know.
Ty
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1999 is notorious for weaker strikes, I am not sure if this is a weak strike with PMD (someone forced the core to rotate) or if this is a counterfeit. I would need to see the coin in hand. To answer other questions: Quote:Can I sell this on ebay? Is it legal to sell a counterfeit? No!! Not only is it illegal to sell, it is illegal to possess. The RCMP view these entirely differently than made-in-China fakes... these are treated like counterfeit paper money frauds. The intent is for commercial deceit, not just numismatic fraud. Quote:
just remember there is collectors looking for these. just like they auction counterfeit Canada postage stamps. they are auctioned as counterfeit. Very bad advice. Counterfeit coins (Canadian decimal coins, pre-confederation counterfeits are different) are never auctioned - or if they are, it is done illegally. These are very much illegal in Canada, and a number of us continuously push and inform the RCMP to get more involved with stopped this. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Can't believe some of the questions here. I agree an in hand inspection of these coins is the best way to see whats going on here. Kafka's- the ring has been re-plated (or something to that effect) and the core popped back in. Northsidety's- either the core was rotated between pics or there is something very wrong with it..fake core.  |
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roger they sell counterfeit. Canadian postage stamps on ebay they identify them as such. what would be the differents. I would like to know if I have a counterfeit toonie and want to sell it on ebay. what's the different between a coin and postage stamp |
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what's the different between a coin and postage stamp Seriously? Postage stamps are not currency... one is protected by the Currency Act, and our decimal coinage has never been debased (so it is still, and always, valid).. This is not a contemporary counterfeit we are talking about... But, ignorance is bliss... I am sure your line of defence will work in any court of law, so go ahead and try... if ebay does not yank it down in a day or two I know a few fellows at the RCMP Currency Counterfeit division that might be very interested in your auction... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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