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Here is some EXCELLENT practice: http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn...oc=2&_sop=12Most of this seller's inventory consists of fakes, but there are some real coins mixed in. Some of the coins I can't tell one way or another, but circumstancial evidence leads me to believe that they are fakes. These are very deceptive and dangerous. I see some patterns in the fake stuff, mostly dealing with the patina, but none of them are universal. The main thing I notice is a "glossiness" in the patina/surface, which I have not encountered before in anything other than fakes (and I have gone through well over 1000 coins of all dynasties), but the way the photos are shot may be a contributing factor to this look. However, most of the counterfeits I own have this glossy patina/surface to some extent. There are, however, two issues that are well-known to have this glossy surface that don't fit into this rule (in fact, they would be suspect if they didn't have a glossy surface): - Wang Mang "Xiao Quan Zhi Yi" - ~12mm "Wu Zhus" (possibly of Wang Mang origin) with high outer rims. An example of rach from my own collection (note how the large wu zhu at left has a very firm patina though it has no glossiness):  Tell me what you see or what makes the coins look "off." Remember that my observations are NOT seen on every counterfeit, and some (and only a small some) genuine coins could have the glossy patina if given the right conditions. Edited by TypeCoin971793
09/09/2015 7:40 pm
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While I have about 100 Chinese coins in my collection, I really haven't put much effort other than to ID the Dynasties. I bought them all from a reputable dealer and feel confident that they are legit. However that being said and looking at the three that you have posted that are fake, I would be fooled that they are not real. Though the patina on the Whu Zhu does look a bit odd, everything else about the coin looks fine to me.
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No, those three coins are genuine. I was showing the two issues that normally have glossy surfaces.
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Sorry, guess I miss read it. In any event they looked real to me so I'm glad they are. The ones on ebay and fairly easy to tell so I don't think I would be fooled by any of those. |
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These would be very difficult for me to tell.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The vast majority of Chinese cast cash coins in my collection
(about 200,) were acquired about 30 years ago.
At the time, I had no idea if I was buying fake coins or not, but then, the commercial faking of them was not so prevalent as it is now.
At the time, I thought it was worth taking a risk, because I was buying them for around 20 cents per coin.
Not much risk if it turned out for all of them to be fakes.
Expert opinion a few years ago was that they are all genuine.
A also have a nice copy of Schjoth. That book proves that I have most emperors and dynasties covering the last 2,000 years.
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I have just a small selection of 6 coins bought from someone on this forum, if it were not for the amount of fakes I might be more interested in this field but combine that with my lack of knowledge and factor in there are plenty of other fields I am more interested in and I doubt I will be acquiring more.
I have wondered if our hobby will be repressed by advances in things like 3d printing (or even normal print technology since I love old banknotes) Even if some of us know the difference the prevalence of fakes can affect a market - certain models of watches that are commonly faked hold less value than others because people don't want to wear a watch that others may assume is not legit by virtue of the majority not being bona fide.
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i just have a handful (maybe two handfuls) of these myself. I picked up almost all from reputable dealers, and didn't pay much for them anyway...i don't go for high end stuff in this area since I can't spot less than obvious fakes. I think those most I've payed for a chinese coin was 5 bucks. if one turns out to be a good fake, I wouldn't loose much sleep over it.
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I found a fake souvenir metal detecting  Edited by OspreyCoins
09/10/2015 8:49 pm
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Posted 09/09/2015 8:18 pm
