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canary01 Valued Member Netherlands 202 Posts	Posted 09/12/2015 06:52 am Hello, I was wondering if someone has any reference on this irish mining token. I have found both obverse and reverse designs on several other tokens but I couldn't find one that had these two designs on one coin. (the other ones I found have one of these designs with a different obverse or reverse) Thanks in advance Report this Post to the Staff

Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 09/12/2015 3:12 pm It is called a 'Conder token', named after James Conder, who made one of the most important catalogs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conder_token http://coinsite.com/british-condor-tokens/ http://www.thecoppercorner.com/hist...hC_hist.html This one: Dublin INDUSTRY HAS ITS SURE REWARDS 1792 harp with 6 strings, dot after each word ASSOCIATED IRISH MINERS ARMS 1795 Dalton & Hamer nr 372 Report this Post to the Staff
Anaximander Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 709 Posts	Posted 09/12/2015 4:41 pm I wonder if your token is a contemporary forgery. There are two dates on your coin. The side with Hibernia ( woman with harp ) shows 1792 and the side with the shield has 1795. None of the Irish tokens in my books have two dates. The digits of 1792 are in a straight line and quite crude in appearance. Images I have of this design show the digits on the date being curved following the rim of the token. The whole token appears crudely made. The designs look worn, possibly made to look that way. I could be wrong. Bell ( Commercial Coins 1787-1804 ) describes a chaotic situation with mules and forgeries aplenty. Regards Report this Post to the Staff
Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 09/14/2015 07:07 am I can not find it in the fakes in the catalog of Dalon & Hamer. Can you read what is on the edge of the token? But I was wrong in the catalog no. It is 373: Associated Irish Miners Arms 1795 Here is that catalog: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...8/index.html at the bottom right you enter page no 581. You will find your token at the right page Don't forget that there are thousends designs, with millions made Edited by Petrus 09/14/2015 07:08 am Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 09/15/2015 2:36 pm Petrus has it identified correctly Ireland Dublin 373. It was a contemporary forgery intended to pass in circulation. They were copies based on the legitimate tokens issued by the Hibernian Mine Company. Except for D&H 372 and 373 they show the same design as the HMCo except they use the initial RITCo. The RLTCo is fictitious and merely one of several initial combinations used on the circulating forgeries of the time (another combination was HSCo) The reverse die is a forged die used to make fake circulating tokens of the Irish Mine Company (D&H 55) The genuine Irish Mine company tokens are D&H 3 through 31. and say Irish Mine Company not Irish Miners Arms. D&H 373 is cosidered to be a common variety. Since they were crudely made and were intended to look worn the OP coin is actually a fairly high grade piece, possibly a VF or a little better. Report this Post to the Staff
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