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New Purchase: Ancient Chinese Ming Hua

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I just bought this a few hours ago. The seller obviously did not know what he had and seemed to be using an old and outdated guide. The seller said that he was selling the collection of a deceased relative (which I believe due to the nature of the items he normally sells). These typically sell for $75-150.

Round Coin Square Hole
Obverse: Ming Hua
Reverse: Blank
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The Ming Hua was cast by the state of Yan ca 300-220 BC. These were directly derived from the Ming knives also cast by the state of Yan because the character "ming" (the round character on the right) is the same character on the obverse of all Ming knives. The meaning of "Hua" is uncertain, but it is thought to be some sort of denomination related to knife coins, but the relationship is uncertain. This is because of the pattern of coins stating either the city in which they were made or their denomination. There was no city of Ming in the state of Yan, so we can only guess that the inscription was a denomination. It was formerly read at "Dao," or "knife," but that made little sense due to the very large weight discrepancy between the Ming knives and Hua-denominated coins.

On an interesting note, this coin is among the first to have a round shape and a square hole, a style originally adopted in the areas which exclusively used knife coins. The states that issued spade coins had round coins with round holes, like the one below. The advantage of the square hole was that the coins would not spin on a square peg when the casting sprues on the edge were filed down. This was so efficient, when the state of Qin unified all of China, the square-holed coins (which were denominated Ban Liang, or 'half ounce') were the madated form of currency.

Round Coin Round Hole
Obverse: Yuan (a city in the state of Liang)
Reverse: Blank (note the impression of another yuan coin in the reverse. This usually means that the coin is authentic hoard material)
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Two very interesting coins.
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cool indeed, I wasn't familiar with the type at all. nice little write up!
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TypeCoin971793, I don't know if you're online tonight, but if so there's a thread over in the World Coins section that can probably benefit from your expertise:

https://goccf.com/t/240282

As of this writing, looks like the first one has a general id...but the others look Chinese...perhaps fakes?
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I just got an in-hand inspection of this coin and it seems to be lead or has a high lead content. I've never heard of this issue cast in lead, so I am contacting some experts I know as this is out of my expertise. However, there are some signs that the coin is made of bronze, but it sounds like lead when dropped onto a hard surface. It is about a gram heaver than most specimens.

There is definite evidence on the reverse that the coin was buried for a long time stacked with other coins, and that the coins were pried apart.

Are there any metallurgists on this forum who would know if a bronze coin with a high lead content (30%+) would have the same dull "clunk" sound as lead if dropped onto a table?

My pics:

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