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Edward 1 Penny Dublin Question

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 Posted 01/12/2008  8:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Vinsanity to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought this coin on ebay and it is a 6th issue edward 1 penny. There is however 1 thing that is kinda bothering me. On the reverse, the top part of the cross is to the left and the D is in its place. The S in TAS doesn't even appear to be there. I thought it was kinda weird just that one little section would be off. I'm pretty sure the obverse has no similar problems but you can check for yourself. How could that happen?

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 Posted 01/13/2008  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You'd need to check the specialist Ireland catalogue to be certain, but personally I wouldn't worry. Ancient, mediaeval and even early modern die engravers often made mistakes, but ended up using the mistaken dies anyway. Coins also might have been struck twice by perfectly normal dies, creating strange effects. Either explanation could fit your coin.

A good example is this Scottish copper twopence I posted on this thread over on CU some time ago. It has something really funky going on with the legend - I still can't work out whether it was double-struck, or simply a really, really bad die-cutting job.
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 Posted 01/29/2008  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnsl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a striking error.

The coin has been struck and the die twisted slightly and struck again.

The first strike goes from INIE through CIVA and on as far as TA - or from 3 O'Clock to about 10:30.

The punch is then rotated (anticlockwise) slightly and the coin struck again to patch up the flat part from the off-alignment first strike. This second strike runs from the S through to DVB. The bar between the S and D is the rotated position of the top of the arm of the cross.

The legend should be |CIVI|TAS|DVBL|INIE

What you have is basically this with the S|DVB shifted back into the A.

The S is visible right at the end of the A and just before the arm of the cross.

The obverse shows the effect of the second strike with the upper left corner of the triangle being clearly out of alignment with the rest of the image. And it is clear from the edge breaks that this is directly opposite the reverse problem.

Double strikes like this are not uncommon in the Irish issues of Edward I - especially in the final issue where the mint was running at very low quality before it finally shut down having minted much of Irland's silver into coin for export and ruined the local economy.

Nice example.
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