1859 Canada Large Cent Rotation

Looks like Wolverine got to her neck and cheek (planchet flaws) but I cannot tell the die combo as you need to take the coin out of the 2x2 and re photo with sharper photos (poss group E) 10-15% rotation

Wow! If you can see a D/C at 13, then you have better eyes than I. I look closely at any one that has the vine break like that at 2, but saw nothing at 13. I'd say 10% or less rotation and not out of the ordinary.

Well, I see the D/C at 13, and it has every other marker for a 9/6, but there's dirt to see inside the 9..

The C in Canada is tripled in the notch, there is a D/C in the N in Canada upper R serif, the T in Gratia is doubled bottom R stem, the C in Vicky is doubled bottom right, the brak is right at 2 and the D/C at 13. When you guys give Haxby numbers, I have no idea what you are talking about, but I think, if you could see the 9 well, it would be a 9/6.

Everything appears the same, the 8 has doubling on the bottom, but I can't see anything inside the 9. When I get home I'll get out a wire brush and clean out the nine, see what I can find... kidding



I will try some more photos, this is the best close up, on my phone.

I've looked over the details and everything matches except the part that counts, the 6 under the 9. Could someone explain? Is this coin produced after the flaw was found and fixed?

I feel like I've signed up for a masters course, everytime my novice hands touch a 59, I learn a bit more. All the dies were old 58 dies? Does the die yield the premium or is it just the repunch? Does the quad C have a premium?

"I feel like I've signed up for a masters course, everytime my novice hands touch a 59, I learn a bit more. All the dies were old 58 dies? Does the die yield the premium or is it just the repunch?" Coin Scavenger's post above.

No, all 1859's were NOT made using 1858 dies. It used the hub (master punch that makes the working dies) that started loife as 1858. It looks like a typewrite key, with the detail in "relief" or projecting out. The 1858 hubs had the final 8 ground down and smoothed out. Then every working die struck by presses(about 200 for 1859) came out originally as "185" and no last digit. Each working die had the 9 then handpunched, instead of machine-punched, final digit to complete the working die. Since each handpunch took 2-4 whacks of the hammer and, after each whack the punch was hardened(tempered and quenched) and the working die annealed (softened), there may have been days, weeks or more between the first whack, 2nd whack, etc. That is why there are so many doublings of the 9's every which way ... up, down, left, right, rotated, etc. It's what makes collecting the 1859 varieties so much fun as well as some so very hard to find. Each reverse die lasted between 5,000 and 60,00 strikes back then, although later 1880's-90's working dies lasted 100,000 or more. The Obverse dies lasted twice to 10 times longer than the Reverse dies. That's why, as Houndog and others have siad, you may have a singlew Obverse married to 5-10 different reverses. 1859's are a joy to be around.

BTW, there are other dates where the previous year's hubs were used with the final digit ground down and a new last digit put into the working dies by hand.