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Re-Submit For Designation? 1865 3 Cent Nickel DDO

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 Posted 09/29/2015  7:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently picked this up at a show, it just looked nice to me. Didn't even look under magnification until a couple of days later, when I got it home. While I was examining the clash I realized the obverse "AMERICA" is doubled, apparently a scarce variety of DDO (FS-001, 003.5 according to CP-I).

The coin has been graded 64 by PCGS. The question is, will a variety specialist genuinely interested in a coin like this prefer to have the designation on the holder when they buy it even though they know what they are looking at?

My tendency is to leave it alone and if they care to get the designation, they can buy it and submit it themselves.

I sometimes get, "How come you're selling a coin as something when it doesn't say X on the holder?" *sigh* But then, the folks that ask that are not likely to be genuinely interested because they don't know what they're looking at.

Thanks for your help!

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 Posted 09/29/2015  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't really see the doubling in the photo, but what an awesome clash. Personally, I think it would be fine left alone, if you're selling, you can still list it as the DDO and a variety collector will know what to look for. Very pretty coin.
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 Posted 09/30/2015  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, chequer!
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 Posted 09/30/2015  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice catch there, Rusty. I'm with Chequer on this one. Put your own sticker on it. Instead of CAC, use SSA ... Scropper Scores Again!
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 Posted 09/30/2015  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The doubling on "OF" really pops out in your photo. I'm with the consensus so far that the variety is not needed on the label. Most of my Morgan dollar varieties are labeled by me. And yeah, love that multiple clash!
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 Posted 09/30/2015  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really appreciate all of your advice! THANK YOU for jumping in and speaking up.

This has been a humbling experience for me. After reading chequer's words, I decided to have another look at the coin in natural light (for only the fifth or sixth time at 10x, mind you). Maybe it was my pictures; maybe it was worth another look.

I believe I was wrong. This is not the DDO variety.

What threw me was the clear doubling AROUND the letters. But in the DDO variety, there is a rotation to the letters - the doubled lettering is a few degrees rotated to the left of the final struck lettering; in this coin, there is not.

What I'm (we're) seeing is the punches from the letters showing around the main motto lettering. Not doubling. I believe this is an artifact of the significant clashing process. Otherwise, I'm not sure what to make of it.

I was absolutely CERTAIN that this was the DDO variety after my third or fourth look. *sigh*

Anyway, it is an absolutely fascinating coin and the clash is phenomenal. But, as it stands now, my opinion is that it is not the DDO variety I mentioned. (Dagnabbit.)
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 Posted 09/30/2015  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only doubling I am seeing is Longacre Doubling.


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What I'm (we're) seeing is the punches from the letters showing around the main motto lettering.

And that is Longacre Doubling. It is actually in the dies when they are made, it is not the result of die clashing.

You will notice that it is at least a double clash. Might be a triple but I can't be sure.
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 Posted 10/01/2015  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Conder101 - yeah, there is triple! Thanks for jumping in.
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I agree with Conder, it is Longacre Doubling. When you see it all the way around around, it is not possible for it to be a DDO. This series is fascinating with the problems they had early on so there are many, MANY clashes and dies that were used far too long.
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