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High Denomination Banknotes: Sweden used to have a 10,000 kr banknote as well, but they made it invalid in 1991. Singapore has pledged not to produce anymore 10,000 SGD banknotes, but the existing ones are not going to be invalid. The $10,000 & $5,000 & $1000 and $500 US banknotes are still valid as are the $1000 Canadian banknotes. Switzerland is producing 1000CHF banknotes every year. In the year 2000 Germany was circulating 93 million 1000DEM banknotes, but they printed up 370 million 500EUR banknotes in 2001 just to get ready for the changeover. Within 7 years they were circulating 530 million 500EUR bannotes, after which they added another 82 million in the next 7 years. But every nation printed high denominations convenient for storing value, and other denominations of lower value convenient for transactions. The super high denominations have mostly stopped being produced. Norway stopped producing the 1000NOK banknotes in 2005, but unlike Sweden they haven't declared any invalid. So there is still a reasonable number left in circulation. When they produce the new series, they may follow Sweden's lead and use it as an opportunity to reduce the cash in circulation. Right now Norway is keeping the value of their circulating currency steady.
Number of notes in millions (Keep in mind Sweden almost double population of Norway)
Den SEKnew SEKold NOK
20 kr 34.1 54.5 88.0-coins
50 kr 12.1 10.1 21.9
100 kr ---- 66.1 21.5
200 kr 11.6 ---- 30.3
500 kr ---- 87.8 36.7
1000 kr 1.7 1.9 17.9
TOTAL 59.3 220.4 216.3 (including 20kr coins)
The elimination of 1000 Crown banknotes has little or nothing to do with transaction behavior. The primary purpose of the 1000 Crown banknote is store of value. Saying that most transactions are electronic is a good reason to reduce the number of 50 and 100 Crown banknotes, but it has nothing to do with the 1000 Crown banknote which is the primary denomination you would store in a home safe. Governments have always had a love hate relationship with high value notes. As far back as the 19th century economists suggested that currency be stamped with a 7 year expiration date. Even back then they realized the importance of keeping money moving to the economic health of a nation. Governments love high value notes because their seignorage is very high, especially if people from other countries use them. They hate them because they are (1) often used to avoid taxes, (2) keep money from circulating at the desired velocity, (3) increases the consequences of counterfeiting
Edited by PacoMartin 04/14/2016 11:40 pm
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Modify above table to include Danish Crown as well as Swedish an Norwegian Crown. The 20kr denomination is a banknote in Sweden, while it is a coin in Norway and Denmark. Values in the table are millions of pieces, and they are not adjusted for different exchange rates or population of the countries.
Denom SEKnew SEKold NOK DKK
20 kr 34.1 54.5 88.0 125.6
50 kr 12.1 10.1 21.9 24.7
100 kr ----- 66.1 21.5 46.6
200 kr 11.6 ----- 30.3 30.4
500 kr ----- 87.8 36.7 32.0
1000 kr 1.7 1.9 17.9 35.6
Normally you need more coins to supply a denomination than banknotes. Coins tend to get lost or are held in piggy banks. Sweden seems to make up for it's lack of 1000kr banknotes by having more 500kr banknotes, but remember that until recently it had no 200kr banknote. Also the population is much larger than Norway or Denmark. Denmark has many more 1000kr banknotes than Norway. Danes may be more inclined to hold value in currency, but also the banknotes are probably held by Germans as a hedge against the Euro. Currency speculators are attempting to force the Danish government to abandon the Exchange Rate Mechanism so that the Danish Crown increases in value dramatically relative to the Euro.
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TABLE UPDATED FOR SWEDISH CROWN TO END OF APRIL 2016
The table includes Danish Crown and Norwegian Crown for end of 2015. The 20kr denomination is a banknote in Sweden, while it is a coin in Norway and Denmark. Values in the table are millions of pieces, and they are not adjusted for different exchange rates or population of the countries.
Denom SEKnew SEKold NOK DKK
20 kr 36.6 50.7 88.0 125.6
50 kr 13.6 9.0 21.9 24.7
100 kr ----- 61.9 21.5 46.6
200 kr 15.2 ----- 30.3 30.4
500 kr ----- 86.5 36.7 32.0
1000 kr 1.8 1.6 17.9 35.6
Sweden relentlessly reduces it's currency supply every month. Banknotes are now down to 58.777 SEK billion of which 3.066 SEK billion is scheduled to be invalid in two months. I presume another SEK billion in old notes will be turned in over the next two months, but in October the new 100 and 500 SEK banknotes will be distributed. My personal guess is that Sweden will reduce banknotes to 40 SEK billion by the end of 2017 (about 1% of GDP)
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The April stats were just published. The value of the soon to be invalid banknotes was: SEK 9.0 billion (114.9 million banknotes) Dec 2014 SEK 6.6 billion (100.8 million banknotes) Oct 2015 SEK 5.9 billion (92.5 million banknotes) Nov 2015 SEK 5.2 billion (84.4 million banknotes) Dec 2015 SEK 4.6 billion (77.3 million banknotes) Jan 2016 SEK 4.1 billion (71.6 million banknotes) Feb 2016 SEK 3.5 billion (66.5 million banknotes) Mar 2016 SEK 3.1 billion (61.3 million banknotes) Apr 2016SEK x.x billion (xx.x million banknotes) May 2016 SEK x.x billion (xx.x million banknotes) Jun 2016 Still looking like SEK 2 billion and about 50 million notes that are lost or being stored as collectibles. Perhaps a bunch will be turned in at banks through August. The 500 SEK banknotes in circulation is down from 114.4 million at end of 2014 to 86.5 million at end of April 2016. How many of the new ones of this denomination will determine how "cashless" Sweden becomes. I am predicting no more than 30 million. A lot depends on BREXIT. From what I read if BREXIT happens, Sweden may follow. The SEK and NOK are within 1%, so if Sweden leaves they would be free to peg the SEK and NOK at parity. Such a peg would help protect both currencies from marauding speculators. Quote: Norges Bank has decided that the new banknote series will be put into circulation in three stages. The 100-krone and 200-krone notes will be launched first. These two denominations will be put into circulation at the earliest in the second quarter of 2017. The 50-krone and 500-krone notes will follow at the earliest one year later. The 1000-krone note will be issued last and is scheduled to be in circulation by the end of 2019.
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The SEK and NOK are within 1%, so if Sweden leaves they would be free to peg the SEK and NOK at parity. Such a peg would help protect both currencies from marauding speculators. Both countries/both economies are too small to protect them from international speculators. Even Great Britain lost a battle with Soros and Co. several years (or is it already decades?) ago. Lately, Switzerland wasn't able to protect the Swiss Franc against the Euro and the Swiss Central bank had to give up the 1 Euro = 1,20 Swiss Franc exchange rate. I agree, the number of new 100 and 500 SEK notes will give a good indication of how cashless Sweden has (or will) become.
Edited by redlock 05/08/2016 02:58 am
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Talking about NOK. I seriously don't like the side that Snøhetta designed. It's like they don't even try anymore. Better if they just stuck to designing beautiful architecture.
Anyway, pegging the NOK to the SEK wouldn't protect any of the currencies. You're still talking about a combined GDP that's about the same as The Netherlands. The Netherlands used to have its Gulden more and more pegged to the D-Mark since about 1990 as it was too vulnerable otherwise. It's no different with the Scandi's.
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Quote: Talking about NOK. I seriously don't like the side that Snøhetta designed. It's like they don't even try anymore. Better if they just stuck to designing beautiful architecture. I have to agree. The Snøhetta design is pretty terrible. At least, they took just one side for the new notes. The Metric design is actually quite good. But my favourite was the (not used at all) BLÆST design.
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Quote: Anyway, pegging the NOK to the SEK wouldn't protect any of the currencies. You're still talking about a combined GDP that's about the same as The Netherlands. Well if BREXIT happens, then Sweden may follow. A Northern alliance currency of Sweden, Norway, UK and Canada is some possibility. Possibly even Iceland. The odd conversions may be eliminated if it is a purely electronic currency that is a weighted percentage of the national currencies. 50GBP=610 SEK I don't see the need to do another special printing of a new banknotes and coins like the Euro. A Northern alliance currency could easily have a GDP greater than Japan.
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The value of the soon to be invalid banknotes was: SEK 9.0 billion (114.9 million banknotes) Dec 2014 SEK 6.6 billion (100.8 million banknotes) Oct 2015 SEK 5.9 billion (92.5 million banknotes) Nov 2015 SEK 5.2 billion (84.4 million banknotes) Dec 2015 SEK 4.6 billion (77.3 million banknotes) Jan 2016 SEK 4.1 billion (71.6 million banknotes) Feb 2016 SEK 3.5 billion (66.5 million banknotes) Mar 2016 SEK 3.1 billion (61.3 million banknotes) Apr 2016 SEK 2.5 billion (55.7 million banknotes) May 2016 SEK x.x billion (xx.x million banknotes) Jun 2016
It looks like there will be SEK 2 billion notes that will cease to be legal tender in a few weeks.
Right now there is SEK 1.148 billion in old 1000kr banknotes that have not been turned in. They can still be turned into banks through August before they become fire-starter material.
Riksbank has managed to remove 16% of the 500kr banknotes from circulation, and they are not even circulating the new notes until 1 October. The current total is 83.62 million 500kr notes and 19.13 million 200kr banknotes Valid notes and coins are hovering around 1.5% of GDP. If they get below 1% of GDP they will tie Iceland of a decade ago for the ultra lowest cash society on earth.
While the state of being checkless has been achieved by a number of Nordic countries, the state of being cashless is a hypothetical status that no country may want to achieve (even Sweden). The cashless lifestyle will become more common.
As I said before, Iceland did not eliminate it's cash so much as rampant inflation reduced it's value to 1% and the Central bank did not print more. But when all the commercial banks failed, they have increased currency in circulation every year, finally introducing a 10,000ISK banknotes in 2013 until Iceland is now more on par with many other European nations.
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Quote: Right now there is SEK 1.148 billion in old 1000kr banknotes that have not been turned in. They can still be turned into banks through August before they become fire-starter material. As I understand it old banknotes can still be turned in after August 2016. But only at Riksbank, not at commerical banks. So, the old banknotes still keep their ''face value.''
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You may be correct, but not for forever (like the USA and Canada). People still turn in a few $500 and $1,000 banknotes in the USA for face value. They are probably very worn and have no value as collectibles. Nobody turns in a $5000 or a $10000 banknote as they are extremely rare
Remaining high value notes circulating in USA (as of end of 2015) 283,998 $500 165,339 $1000 353 $5000 345 $10000 (one hundred of these notes were in Benny Binion's (died 1989) famous collection in Las Vegas)
BTW my prediction that Riksbank would stop at 2 million 1000kr banknotes was too conservative. They are already circulating 2.077 million.
I may be wrong on the 500kr banknotes as well. They are down to 83.6 million (from an all time high of 118.9 million and 114.4 at end of 2014). My prediction is they would cut circulation down to 30 million by the end of next year. Perhaps they won't be as drastic.
A $20 banknote in 1982 is worth about the same as a $50 today. I don't remember many ATMs being stocked with $10 bills in 1982 (but perhaps my memory is shoddy). So logically the common banknote in the USA today should be the $50. AFAIK that is still relatively rare, outside of Las Vegas, but perhaps bigger cities rely on the $50 more. I know it is much more common in Australia.
In the USA it is most common to get a single denomination from an ATM. I've been in other countries where it is more likely to get different denominations.
I don't know how Swedes would feel about getting 200kr banknotes from an ATM instead of 500kr. They may find it irritating, or it may go with their general philosophy that cash is for trivial purchases. Right now the Riksbank is circulating less than 20 million 200kr banknotes, so there is not enough to make it the norm.
Edited by PacoMartin 06/04/2016 6:50 pm
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With Norway's currency falling from 26% higher than Sweden's currency to almost parity in the last few months, I wonder if they will fix them at parity. Sweden is about 70 miles from Oslo, so the difference in exchange rate means money leaves the country in looking for better prices.
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As of today the notes are now invalid. I wonder if there was a last minute rush to find the notes and spend them?
SEK 9.0 billion (114.9 million banknotes) Dec 2014 SEK 6.6 billion (100.8 million banknotes) Oct 2015 SEK 5.9 billion (92.5 million banknotes) Nov 2015 SEK 5.2 billion (84.4 million banknotes) Dec 2015 SEK 4.6 billion (77.3 million banknotes) Jan 2016 SEK 4.1 billion (71.6 million banknotes) Feb 2016 SEK 3.5 billion (66.5 million banknotes) Mar 2016 SEK 3.1 billion (61.3 million banknotes) Apr 2016 SEK 2.5 billion (55.7 million banknotes) May 2016 SEK 1.8 billion (41.0 million banknotes) Jun 2016
You can still deposit them in a bank account until 31 August 2016. If you still have invalid banknotes after 31 August 2016, you can send them to the Riks-bank, which will redeem them by depositing the value of the notes, less a charge of SEK 100, into a bank account.
Please note that the banks and the Riksbank apply the provisions of the money laun-dering act, which means, among other things, that you may be asked questions as to where the money comes from. You may also have to present copies of receipts, agreements or invoices. The next stage in the banknote and coin changeover will be the introduction of the new 100- and 500-krona banknotes . These notes have the bulk of the value of the currency stock worth roughly 48 billion SEK and over 145 million notes.
At the end of June 2017 the exact ratio of 200kr and 500kr left will determine how "cashless" Swedish economy has become.
Also the new 1-, 2- and 5-krona coins will begin issuing in October 2016
Edited by PacoMartin 07/01/2016 06:32 am
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I suggest you come and live in Sweden or Norway for a while to get a better understanding of what we're doing here.  The Norwegian Krone only went down because oil prices dropped and Norway is experiencing an economic depression now. But it didn't go down 26%, less than 10% at most. There will not be a peg between the Swedish Krona and the Norwegian Kroner. There are many cities closer to the Swedish border than Oslo, it has nothing to do with anything. In fact, most of Norway is slimmer than 70 miles... As soon as oil prices go up again and the Norwegian economy recovers, the Norwegian Krone will go up again. It's always been like that. Sweden just has a different type of economy that's much less dependent on one single industry. It's just that the Norwegian Kroner isn't such a secure bay anymore with uncertainty on the oil market, that's all. Oh, and don't forget that there's already a political pact between the Scandinavian countries concerning economic cooperation and open borders. A lot of Norwegian Kroner already leave the country each year, especially to Sweden, due to a principle we call 'Harry shopping', which means 'weirdo shopping'. 'Harry' means 'weird' in Norwegian. Due to prices being lower and quality being better in Sweden, which has an open market unlike Norway, Sweden has built a lot of huge malls just across the border with Norway. Every days there are queues of Norwegians willing to do grocery shopping and shopping for everything else (alcohol, anyone?) just across the border. Total spending is billions of NOK per year. But Norway will not open its own internal market, as there's a very powerful farmer's political party, which seeks to protect the internal market by banning everyone else: only shortages in supply and stuff Norway isn't able to produce is imported. The result is inferior products made by companies with a monopoly in their market which are sold for premium prices and a lot of people crossing the border to do their shopping. A Swexit is bare nonsense. The only two countries where any uproar about leaving the EU existed were France and The Netherlands, both via two populist politicians with a huge mouth (Marine le Pen and Geert Wilders). The Dutch Parliament held a vote and just 14 MPs actually voted in favor of having a referendum concerning a Nexit, which is less than 10% of the members of Parliament and, not unexpected, all (ex)members of the political party of aforementioned Geert Wilders. It's not an issue at all. There will not be a Nexit or Frexit in the coming years: everyone will first see what happens to the UK and, honestly, things don't look so good there right now. As Redlock stated, there will be a grace period in which old bank notes will be taken in by the national bank (Riksbanken). Usually here in Europe such a period is sufficient for everyone. The same will be the case when the new Swedish coins will be released later this year. The Scandinavian principles are based on being humane, so you can expect a good grace period. A monetary union between Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Canada and the UK is not something that's likely to happen. Where did you even find rumors? In fact, it's quite unlikely that the UK will keep existing as it does today. All the aforementioned countries refused to trade their own currencies for the Euro or to join the EMU for many different reasons. It's true about the $20 bank note: every time I visit the US and take out cash, I get $20 notes. I haven't had a single occasion where I got $50 notes, not in large cities like New York, not in 'smaller' towns like Raleigh (NC). West coast or east coast doesn't seem to have any impact either. It's cool with those $5000 and $10.000 notes. I haven't seen one in my life and it seems like I have to travel to Vegas to actually do so. Oh well... 
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