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This one was in my recently acquired uncleaned lot. FL DELMATI-VS NOB CAES, laureate, draped, cuirassed bust right GLORIA EXERCITVS, two soldiers standing facing each other, each holding a spear and shield, one standard between them with chi-rho on banner 2.0 grams. 15mm Arles RIC 398. An R3? I'm not at all familiar with Delmatius. Can anyone confirm the attribution?  Edited by EFLargeCents
10/02/2015 4:22 pm
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Delmatius was from Constantine's family and was only Caesar for two years 335-337 before he was murdered by his own troops. Most likely by the plot to rid Constantius II of any rivals for the throne. His coins while not rare are still hard to come by. I have one that isn't half as nice as yours. What I like about yours is that the standard has the CHI-RHO in the center. Nice coin.
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Although the mint mark is off the flan, I think that someone gave it the attribution to RIC VII 398 for Arelate based on the use of a Chi-Rho in the labarum, and the splitting of the obverse legend at TI-VS. The same thing split as MA-TI would be RIC VII 399 for Arelate. I have Delmatius covered for most of the mints, and do not recall seeing this combination elsewhere. I can affirm that the RIC number given is good for Arelate, but without further digging cannot be absolutely sure that this combination appears only there. FWIW I expect that it is specific to Arelate.
If anyone turns up a Delmatius reverse with a Chi-Rho that is not from Arelate, please let us know how the obverse inscription is divided.
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RIC only list 398 and 399.
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RIC only list 398 and 399 I'm not sure what you are saying, Ron. Those two are just for Arelate. They have other listings for the other mints. Or are you saying that only these two at Arelate are listed with a Chi-Rho? I didn't check the book. |
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Yes RIC for some reason has this coin list under the two numbers 398-399. This is just probably one of the numerous error that is in RIC. So the way I look at it either number would be correct.
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Very nice acquisition from an uncleaned lot!
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Excuse me, Ron, but RIC VII lists coins by mint. As I explained in my first response the numbers for Arelate, 398 and 399, relate to different obverse legend breaks. But there are also listings for Cyzicus, Nicomedia, Heraclea, Antioch, Alexandria, etc. Most of those do not have a Chi-Rho on the labarum. I haven't checked all the listings however.
I can't tell from your responses what you are using to tell you what RIC VII is listing for Delmatius? Maybe my notes are too cryptic or condensed. If so, I can unpack them if needed.
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The Wildwinds description for Arles 398 officina S is incorrect. They put the obverse break in the wrong place. However, the coin they show, which does not match their description, is correct for RIC VII Arles 398 officina S. The obverse break is the same as it is for#398 officina P, which is as it should be. break = TI-VS The coins they show for #399 officina P are correct, as is the description. break = MA-TI They do not show a coin for #399 officina S. Poor as it is, and hard to light for clarity, here is an example from my collection:  I know that the officina numeral appears to have a loop like a P, however, that is an effect of the way the sand patina has been removed. I am not able at present to show you a better image where it looks like the S that it is. RIC specifies that both 398 and 399 for Arles exist for both officinae, P and S. Therefore, the absence of any exergual lettering in your coin precludes determining which officina it is. However, we can now confirm that your coin is Arles #398 as you had earlier suggested. |
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