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ID Help With Roman Bronze (Many Pics)

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 Posted 10/04/2015  03:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you should number the pictures just so that people can give their ID's easier....

I see a few I recognise but the easiest is Pic 9 and 10...the coin on the right is an Urbs Roma commemorative with Romulus and Remus ^^

I am sure someone who knows something about cat numbers with give you much more information... some of the guys around here are very good with this game :)
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It's much easier for us to ID these if you only post one or two coins per thread. Most of these need to be cleaned first before we can ID them. They all appear to be LRB (Late Roman Bronze) I see a Camp Gate possibly Constantine, and a City Commemorative VRBS Roma.
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If I clean them, then i'll ruin them since there won't anything left to be identifiable. That was the point to post them here. Since some guys are really good at identification. If I clean some i'll lose what's left of them or on some others remove the patina to show bronze. I don't want that.

@David, the pics are in order :)
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Also, yes pic 1 is a Constantine camp gate. The problem is there is still dirt on the reverse, but at the same time bronze showing.
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I may well be just chasing ghosts, but I think I can sort of see a stag reverse on coin #1. Here's a proposal for that one...from the "zoo series" of Gallienus:

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Gallienus
Billon antoninianus, Rome mint, 267 - Sep 268 A.D.
Obverse: GALLIENVS AVG, radiate head right
Reverse: DIANAE CONS AVG, stag right, X in ex
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If I clean them, then i'll ruin them since there won't anything left to be identifiable.


To me this comment only makes sense if the only method for cleaning you use is chemical cleaning in liquids, and by that I include soaking in water and olive oil. At some point however the coin deserves better treatment.

Have you learned how to use a microscope and needle for fine cleaning?

Anyway, in pictures 1 & 4:
Top coin: I agree with BobL, this is an ant of Gallienus, and it does appear to have an animal reverse, probably a stag, but too little detail left to tell for sure.

bottom left: AE3 Constantine I, campgate reverse, in exergue SMTSepsilon; Thessalonika officina 5

bottom right: AE4 Constantius II, SPES REI-PVBLICE reverse, in exergue SM(A)L() This mark is partially determined by its configuration. If the first character is "S", as it appears to be, then the second character must be an "M". It cannot be a mark of Siscia, which starts with an officina letter. The third character is problematic because it appear in this image to be a "B" but that is not an option for the third letter for any of the mint marks. Given the rest of the configuration of the mark, the best candidates are "K" for Cyzicus and "H" for Heraclea, both of which could accomodate a final gamma as the officina numeral.
From all this, I am most inclined to read it as SMKgamma for the third officina at Cyzicus.
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Pics 9 & 10:

David UK called it for an Urbs Roma on the right. Actually, both coins are Urbs Roma city commemoratives.

Left: CONS of Constantinople mint is clear; officina uncertain

Right: Although most of the mint mark is off the flan, the long pointed ears of the wolf are a dead giveaway for the mint at Cyzicus. You can look at that in Bruck, Die spätrömische Kupferprägung, which is now available in English as Late Roman Bronze Coinage. Its an attribution guide for poorly preserved Late Roman Bronze that uses the iconography of the coin as a guide to the mints.

If you buy many coins in this grade, then this book is a must for you.
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Pics 7 & 8:

left: AE3? (module uncertain) Valentinian DN VALENTINI-ANVS PF AVG; reverse GLORIA ROMANORVM (soldier leading/dragging captive); in exergue CONSgamma, Constantinople, officina 3. Because of the letter spacing I prefer the attribution to Valentinian I rather than Valens, though both are possible for this mint mark. There appears to be something going on in the right field, possible the wreath mark, but for that I do not see the corresponding star in the left field.

right: AE3 ? (module uncertain) Valens DNVALEN-S PF AVG; reverse SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE, mint uncertain


Pics 11 & 12:

left: AE3 House of Constantine TIN partial legend; reverse "two standard" GLORIA EXERCITVS, mint uncertain


right: ?
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I completely forgot to look back at this thread lol. lrbguy, thank you so much for the help!! Sorry it took 2 years for me to reply

Edit: Also, sorry for bringing back a dead thread but I had to give thanks for the help.
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