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1942 S Nickel, Non Silver - Does It Exist?

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I'd figure I'd bring up something I haven't seen much discussion about up on CCF.

Back in 1961, basically a guy found a 1942 S normal nickel, non silver in circulation (pictured in the article)

http://www.coin-collecting-guide-fo...-nickel.html


I don't think any of the grading companies have even slabbed one, yet alone any reported known to exist but this one, if this is authentic. Makes you wonder where this one is, too.
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Although nothing is impossible, I find it highly improbable that any of these were struck legitimately by the mint.

There are several things that the 1942-s non silver found in 1961 could be. It could be a complete fake, an added mint-mark, or maybe even a Henning prototype that was never used.

No one truly knows whether there are any of these in existence, and without that coin available for reference, we are forced to conclude for the time being that non were struck. At least that's what the mint wants us to believe.
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I know they made normal 1942-D in addition to the 40% silver 1942-D, but I've never heard of any regular composition 1942-S (that didn't have the big mint mark above Monticello).
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It seems so tantalizing, but you would think that some sort or confirming evidence would have shown up by now.

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Where did this coin end up; Do we know?
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That was an interesting article. I often wondered what I would do if I stumbled on a rare coin like that. Would I sell it and live comfortably for the rest of my life or keep it for the prestige knowing that I am the only one who has one...decisions decisions...lol
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I think I read that like the 1913 V nickel, this were made intentionally by mint employees, whether to test the new 1942 obverse die, to make a quick buck, or just out of boredom. It does strike me as odd that for being both unique and a major transitional variety, this coin is pretty elusive to the point that I think only its current owner knows its whereabouts.
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How it came to exist seems obvious if real from the US Mint. The only question would be how it got out. I can see them testing the machines as part of routine maintenance. When they are going that fast at those pressures, the last thing you want is someone standing near when a gear beaks or a belt that can fly off an hit an employee. Maybe calibrating a new machine. Plausible that the wrong dies were used or jsut any found laying around to test the press.

The only question is how did it leave the mint? Did it occur during the war and was overlooked during an evacuation where security said for people to just "GET OUT" and that happened to be in someones pocket or hand?

If It turned up in my box of nickels I would probably put it in a baggy since my folder has no hole for it and forget about it for a few months until I go to sort the baggies of oddities and then ponder what to do with it all along forgeting about this thread or reading the article linked above.

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Back in 1961, basically a guy found a 1942 S normal nickel, non silver in circulation (pictured in the article)


The coin in question, a 1942-S nickel with a small "s" mint mark to the right of Monticello, rather than a large "s" mintmark above the dome of Monticello, is actually made of the wartime silver composition (35% silver, 56% copper, 9% manganese), rather than the normal composition (75% copper, 25% nickel). For details, see Bernard Nagengast's " Jefferson nickel ANALYST", 2nd. Ed., p. 83. At one time, Mr. Nagengast owned the coin in question, thought to be unique. The coin was offered a few years ago for $275,000. Its present whereabouts are unknown to me.


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I would think that when they make new dies, they mint a some coins to test it out. The machinist may have just taken his test pieces and tossed them in a bin of 1941 nickels not knowing that there would be a switch to silver.

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The only question is how did it leave the mint? Did it occur during the war and was overlooked during an evacuation where security said for people to just "GET OUT" and that happened to be in someones pocket or hand?


How cool would it be if this happened during

http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist9/aaf2.html
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I'd have to check Roger Burdette's book on the experimental coins of WWII but I always suspected this was the result of a test of the striking quality of the proposed alloy done at the Philadelphia mint. They just grabbed a pair of nickel dies and ran the test. One of them was a small mintmark S mint die. (Philadelphia made the dies for all the mints so the S mint dies would be on hand there.)

Another possibility would be a test piece made at San Francisco when they were testing to see what pressure setting they would need to strike the new composition and they simply used an old rev die.
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In 1961 an unknown collector came across a unique nickel in circulation,



"unknown collector" when it clearly states in the article I posted (first link when you type in 1942 S nickel non silver) the name of the guy..lol

See, but the thing is, it isn't slabbed though.
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Why is Silvertown allowed to keep this but the mint has taken back gold coins that got out on accident? Is it just because the mint never confirmed this was a real coin?
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See, but the thing is, it isn't slabbed though.

Which means the TPGs are not ready to call it genuine since the mint claims it never existed. And to prove that it's real would be next to impossible at this point.
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