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Hi all, I've read that *all* small dates are harder to come by than large dates, but in my experience it is the opposite for 1974. I find small dates at a rate of 2 to 1 compared to large dates for this year, and have found 5 small date S's compared to just 1 large date. I am just curious what others have encountered. Thanks again. Edited by Joecontois
10/07/2015 10:40 pm
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First let me say I've never heard of 1974-PDS Small dates. I believe your confused about small dates being more numerous than large dates.
some small and large dates are : 1960 p & D , 1970-S , 1982 P & D .
The small date is always more sort after then the large date counterparts. thus more expensive.
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There are large and small dates for each mint in 1974. The small dates for the 3 years you mentioned are more scarce than their large date counterparts, but I've found this to be opposite for 1974, for all 3 mints. I am just curious if anyone has had similar experience.
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10/07/2015 5:25 pm
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I find the 74 LD/SD to be about the same in my area. John1  |
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I have 10 rolls of 1974D's to search. I'll keep this post in mind when I search them.
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I have been studying these coins, and their variations. I have found that for all mints, the small dates are a bit more common. That said, it may be impacted by where one lives. I am in the pacific Northwest, and the D mints are very numerous here. In my research thus, far, I have noticed that the "wild hair" type (different hub/die) is not very common! Compare the upper part of Lincoln's hair, on some dies, he has upper curls which nearly touch the "WE" in the legend. This "Wild Hair" type seems to be the one die used first, then the hubs were changed. The aluminum sample has the wild hair, if I recall correctly. I will check.
Gary in Washington
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Yes, in checking my notes, the rare aluminum 1974 cent demonstrates the first hub type used in early 1974. It has the "wild hair". There are 6 varieties (subtypes) of the 1974 cents! NGC published an update to the 1974 cents by Lange, in which he briefly discusses the 6 varieties. He notes that all of the 1974 proofs were also made from the first hub (mit the "Wild Hair" - per my label). Midway through 1974 the Mint decided not to mint aluminum coins, and the first early hub (Wild Hair) was replaced by the newer lower relief hub, (small date), which facilitated the minting of harder metals. I find the early "Wild Hair" coins somewhat collectible. There is also some differences to the reverse, I think the "FG" initials were altered. I will check.
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Another note: The "FG" initials changed from the earlier 1973 type, but were consistent in the 1974 mintage. However, the "S" mintmark has two types in 1974. This could expand the list of varieties to 7, for the 1974 cent! The "Wild Hair" types themselves may be a variety! If so then we have 8 varieties. I have not yet found any "Wild Hair" types amongst the "S" mint coins. Could the upper portions of Lincoln's hair have been removed by over polishing? I am working on that!
Gary in Washington
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Thank you much for your info Gary. I've tallied approximately 180 '74 small dates to just 100 '74 large dates, approx 45 '74d small dates to about 25 '74d large dates, and 5 '74s small dates to just 1 '74s large date. I am in the northeast (Connecticut) and we have both found that small dates are a bit more common than large dates. I think the large dates may actually be a little scarcer than the small dates for 1974!
Also, these two different S mint marks apply only to large dates, or small dates, or both? Lastly, I'll have to keep an eye out for the wild hair! Thanks again!
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10/07/2015 10:50 pm
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Also, these two different S mint marks apply only to large dates, or small dates, or both? Lastly, I'll have to keep an eye out for the wild hair! My research is on-going. I have only a handful of 1974 S. I was told they can be found with the earlier type 1, or Large Date 1974 S. But I have not confirmed this. All of the small date (type 2) 1974 S, I have have the small S mint mark, as well as all of the large date (type 2) coins - they too have the small sized mint mark. Somebody posted on the Internet, not long ago, about these mint marks (Wiles?). I will let you know more later, or if you find out, let me know! Gary in Washington |
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Yes, there are three types of "defective" S mint marks, Wiles displays them at Varietyvista. As to the Large (type 1) and small (type 2) types of S mint marks, the larger S mint mark is found only on the small date 1974 S mints, known as the type 2 mint mark. Easy way to remember is the large date Type 1 -- has the type 2 mint marks, and the small date Type 2, -- have the type 1 mink mark style. Per this quote from: http://www.thecentproject.comRegarding 1974S cents... "To date ALL known proof cents are large date. No small date proofs have ever been reported. This may help. Another thing that may help with 1974S business strike cents is that all known examples of large date cents have the type 1 (earlier type) mintmark. All small date examples known have the type 2 (later type) mintmark. This is only true with business strike S-mint cents The proof cents are known with both mintmarks." I trust this assists. By the way, there are a lot of variations in the 1974 cent series -- yes?  Gary in Washington |
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There are several indeed, and I'm confused at what you wrote. It seems like there's conflicting info written.
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