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[lincoln Penny] What Type Of Doubling Could This Be?

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From what I know it seems a bit too thick to be double die, and the doubling is noticeable without any magnification at all. It appears to be very prominent. I think I may be mistaking another " DDO" coin that I have which may actually have this type of doubling.

Any help would be very appreciated, Thank You.

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 Posted 10/15/2015  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Date would help
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Looks to be from the 1960 era but looks normal.
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Heres the whole coin and date:
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Here is the date alone:
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I attempted to show it more zoomed out in these photos:
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The coin is a pretty cool coin. I thought since the letters looked similar, I would get a second opinion and take the opportunity to learn what type of doubling it has.

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If you are talking about on the outsides of the device on the motto then it is just Die Deterioration and the lighting is adding to the effect. The liberty looks normal and so does the date
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Before I saw the date, was thinking like John: 60s vintage. It looks like an uncirculated 1958 LWC in a late die state. The date shows MD and Die Deterioration. Here's a link to explain this type of doubling. But browse Wexler's site: lots to read and learn there. Good luck!

http://doubleddie.com/144801.html

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to the forum, Rotavele. Good pictures are important for accurate evaluations. There is a photography forum on here you can get good tips for better pics. You should post only the pics that most accurately reflect your coin. You can use a sheet or two of paper to filter your light. Experiment with your lighting some, the last thing you want to do is show pics that are not accurate. It's easy once you get the hang of it.
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This coin most likely popped for you when you seen the wider text this is a good thing to spot..As your eye are picking up things outside the normal.

two things to look out for and rule out when looking at that wider text are.

1. When the die wears down "think a shape like a pyramid" if you chop a top piece off the shape is wider.
2. when die die gets old and starts break off little weird shapes around the design.

when you do think you have a cent that might be a double die I goto copercoins.com and type the year and mint mark into the search. And look at each result to see if my coin matching anything there.

3. you gonna find a lot of md, very late die states, etc, hits in the beginning that's normal and as time goes by you start seeing the difference for me this was a few month process and still learning.


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Thank you guys for the tips! I'm newer to numismatics and this website has taught and sewn the seeds for me to learn a lot with more resources. I appreciate it heavily.

I had spent days trying to learn about mechanical/machine/strike doubling, but I forgot about deteorioration. Time to read up more on that. Thank you again for the help :).
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A good reference to other types of doubling: http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/m...oubling.html
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Oh yes, I have that page book marked haha. I have a few more microscope tools I've ordered that are on their way to help access these doubling forms in the future.

I just cracked open a new bank roll of 58s and I see about 10 of these die deteoriorations. They're pretty deceptive, especially looking so new. I think that's what threw me off of considering the little I knew of deteorioration being a possibility. I'm still keeping them though, shiny wheats are cool: but I know in a few years I'll look back and it will remind me of my first numismatics memories.
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Keep an eye out for that rare one. The 1958 DDO-001 would be a terrific find!
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Do you know if there are more than the three? I've read about it upon finding this deterioration and from my knowledge only three are known. Do you believe there might be a roll out there somewhere with more or that only three were made?
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There are most definitely more out there. Some collectors aren't even aware of them, so don't even look. There are many original rolls out there in closets and dealer shelves that have yet to be searched. Someday more will turn up, keep searching!
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