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Will NCLT Become Bullion Value Over Time

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 Posted 10/21/2015  10:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've heard it often mentioned that over time nclt coins will be reduced to bullion value over time. Do collectors really believe this to be true, why or why not.

If this is the case, why bother buying new.
The other thing I've noticed looking at ebay solds tonight is prices are very low, when compared to buying at a dealer. I find this rather puzzling! There was a graded 5 coin penny set went for $282, other popular coins were bargain prices to, even fixed price. Where will this lead. A 2006 gilt beaver was sold for $59. This coin at times was over $200 in the past. Is the low silver price having an impact, or not a factor. The coin scene has radically changed since 2012.
There was the glass snowman sell for $28 and the Eagle $100 coin was sold for $68. Graded singing moon masks for under what each coin costs.

Now if deals can be had like this on ebay, will collectors eventually switch to other areas or a new hobby. As its just insane to buy at issue! Consumers inherently look for best value. It appears many collectors here are choosing to wait for bargains.

What steps could be taken to revive the hobby and interest of collectors
Anyone care to share their thoughts.
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10/21/2015 10:28 pm
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 Posted 10/21/2015  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Couple of different coins, that I (couple of times) brought to CC&C to check their "buy price" - it was not a lot over bullion.
In other words - RCM 1oz coin with issue price as CAD 100, I was offered to sell for CAD 25-30.
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 Posted 10/21/2015  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Other than the 20 for 20 and maybe the big coin set but I think the so call colour version will flop and drag down the original. In time everything the RCM cranks out will revert to near bullion, ascene taken 20 years ago by Canada Post basically destroying stamp collecting. Being offered about 35.00 for a recent 100.00 coin when the biggest salesperson is spewing every month on the HSN that every coins are sellout and increases in value.
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 Posted 10/21/2015  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check TCNC last auction had like 80% NCLT many half issue or no sale.
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 Posted 10/21/2015  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oversupply is the greatest enemy of modern NCLT. That coupled with rising precious metals prices over time will end up making NCLT end up at near bullion prices. Such as the 50% silver dollars from the 1970s-1980s.
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 Posted 10/22/2015  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is why I simply don't buy modern coins. Older ones have had plenty of time to prove that they can retain and grow in value, while modern NCLT tends to flop a couple years after the release.
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 Posted 10/22/2015  02:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SolarPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will usually buy any silver NCLT coin if I can get it for real close to its bullion value, even if it's something I don't have a real interest in (which there has been a few). However even looking back to when the RCM wasn't pumping out 300+ different NCLT coins a year, almost all of those have sold for bullion lately. The 1976 Olympic set with $5 and $10 coins as well as the 1988 Calgary Olympic sets for example. I started collecting the NCLT silver dollar issues in 2013 (the series that has been around since 71') and have not spent more than bullion on a single one thus far (I have every year from 1971-2003, plus 2008 and 2010). The newer ones are still selling for more than bullion but still significantly less than issue price and I will continue to wait until I am able to get those at bullion value as well. There is the odd exception with these coins (such as the queen mother silver dollar) but to think about the appreciated value from that one coin in comparison to the value lost if one had bought the rest of the entire series at issue still would show that it doesn't really make sense to buy these NCLT coins at issue. Now that being said I think for people who collect more for the enjoyment of having the coins, collecting only certain types or themes, and is not concerned with loss in value of their coins over time then it would make sense to buy at issue price instead of having to wait several years for that coin to be reduced to bullion value (and losing the excitement of owning a "new" coin).
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 Posted 10/22/2015  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A new collector will instantly get turned off the hobby by seeing their recent purchase instantly loose half value or more, sure most of us buy for theme or beauty but at some point you loose interest. Every coin is a hundred bucks or more
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 Posted 10/26/2015  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcadon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John100 said
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"Every coin is a hundred bucks or more"


And for this fact alone, unless it's an extremely desirable coin to me, I am cutting down my annual coin budget directly from the mint, and reconsidering further purchases from online coin shops - Gatewest, Colonial Acres etc. As reputable dealers, I feel safe with my purchases from them, and as others mentioned, picking up past years items at discounts just makes a lot of sense.

With my savings, I'll consider purchasing the Annual 'Gift' from the mint, and/or the collector box(es).
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 Posted 10/27/2015  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is not only on ebay and dealers where prices have dropped on NCLT coins, but the Charlton catalogue has dropped there prices as well, many below issue price.
Comparing my 2013 and 2016 Editions, not all, but many coins such as the 2007 Blue Plasma, from $250.00 to $190.00
have dropped along with many of the Specimen and Proof sets which have lower prices.
Seems like a good time to be a buyer and not a seller.
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 Posted 10/29/2015  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While it is obvious that the trend lines are for NCLT prices to drop after release, the NCLT market has changed in the last few years with the flood of new releases. Personally I would guess that the prices will end up as bullion + a TBD premium. But the 'new' market hasn't been around long enough to say for sure. Currently even SMLs on ebay usually go for a premium over bullion. However, there's always the possibility that a surge in interest will sweep through the market at some point driving prices back up. Possibly the older, pre-flood NCLT would take better advantage of something like that but honestly, it's anyone's guess. I certainly wouldn't bet any significant amount of money on it.

Think of it like the stock market (my frequent analogy). Most IPOs' values drop out of the gate. Most don't go completely bankrupt though. Some eventually get back to their issue price and a few go higher. Personally I think IPOs have better odds than NCLT though :-)
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 Posted 10/29/2015  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not to be a pessimist but I was hoping the Big coins would hold value, but nothing in the last 2 years you can buy for below issue, that's pretty telling.
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