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1776 1 Real Spanish Colonial

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I believe that this beat up coin is Carolus III. I am unable to identify the mint mark. Seems like the portion which is not damaged should be enough of a clue...but I am stumped. Can anyone help with this or refer me to a site which has good information on these? I know that the value of the coin does not justify the effort of research, but I just found it in a box of coins which belonged to one of my ancestors. I had not looked at these coins for decades. The sentimental value is what makes it worth the research effort for me.





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Hi, I think you are correct: Carolus III, but could that be the right edge of an R? If so, then it could be either Colombia, Peru or Venezuela, all used the same devices, but their mint marks are at about 10 o'clock in your picture.

All Carolus III issues in Mexico were minted in Mexico City with the M and a small o above it as the mint mark where you were indicating, but it doesn't look like the "Mo" mint mark.

Peru mint mark is LIMAE all on top of each other and Colombia is JJ, both at 10 o'clock.

This info is courtesy of Krause Standard Catalog of World Coins 1701-1800.
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Thanks, jjwabraham! Would you happen to know of any website which has images of these various mint marks?

This mint mark appears to be at 8 o'clock.
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No, I still use the paper books.
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Hi, at 8 o'clock is the X of REX, then a dot, if Mexican, the Mo icon, another dot, then an R, another dot, then a symbol. Can you see that symbol?
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Hi, at 8 o'clock is the X of REX, then a dot, if Mexican, the Mo icon, another dot, then an R, another dot, then a symbol. Can you see that symbol?


Where there would be the Mo is partially destroyed. But there seems enough left that it might be identifiable...if I could just find images of alternative mint marks! I can see nothing in the area you are asking about...I think that is where the assayer's initials should be (?)

Thanks for looking!
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I have looked again at the area for Assayer's initials and think I see what could be the top of a P or an R. If so, this could indicate Bolivia or Guatemala. Comparing the NG for Guatemala with the S over T for Bolivia, what is left of this mint mark on my coin suggests that it may have been minted in Bolivia. Anyone have thoughts?
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Bolivia is a distinct possibility. I will look it up and get back to you.
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This is the Bolivia 1/2 and 1 Real for your year range, Guatemala was using something different in 1776 and started using the portrait only for Carolus IIII around the 1780's.

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Looking at yours I'm inclined to say not a match, but without a coin in hand it is difficult to say.
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Thanks - I am going to enlarge your image as much as I can and compare!
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I am thinking that I have too much damage to tell! The main feature which stands out on my mint mark is the straight side along the top...suggesting a T. But it is so mashed and gouged, it looks impossible. But combined with what I can see of the assayer's initials, it still points to Bolivia, I am thinking. Oh well...

Thanks for your help!
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You know that when you are in this area of the hobby -- identifying worn/ low grade, barely identifiable coins == the satisfaction comes from a proper (at least most likely) ID. Sometimes it is a blessing for a holed or otherwise severely compromised coin to NOT be one of the rarer mintages.
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Thanks for all your help, advise and counsel!
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