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This 1981-S Cent Escaped.

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 Posted 10/23/2015  6:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Joecontois to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Found this guy today. It's the first time that I found a proof coin in the wild (that I know of). I need a digital magnifier to discern for sure whether it is a type 1 or type 2 mint mark. Not that it would be worth much in this condition, but the S looks clear to me.

This-1981-S-Cent-Escaped.
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10/23/2015 7:24 pm
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 Posted 10/23/2015  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are out there, I don't know why, but they are.
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 Posted 10/23/2015  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That one is ROUGH.

I have found proof halves that were casino coins with all of the reeding peened off and the obverse and reverse so dinged and scratched up you could barely see the details but the proof mirror finish still shown through and gave the hint of it's true identity.

That one though with the ED would be hard to spot.

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 Posted 10/23/2015  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool!! Maybe some acetone? I'd give it a soak.
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I've never cleaned a coin before other than with a damp paper towel and soap and water. I don't know how harmful these methods are so I only use them on gunked up common coins. I've been told about Verdi care or Verdi gris (not sure what it's called at the moment) and acetone dips / baths, but I'm not sure how to get started with that. I was going to ask local coin dealers about it. Thanks for the replies. ED stands for environmental damage I assume?
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 Posted 10/23/2015  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct. Acetone (100%) will soften/lift certain soiling but wont affect the patina of the coin. Acetone essentially neutralizes oils that transfer from handling, so its more conservation than cleaning. But experiment on expendable coins to learn a bit about the soaking process. Verdicare helps slow environmental factors and removes the verdigris but it will not restore a damaged coin. Your proof would probably be best cared for with Verdicare rather than acetone. But acetone will lift some light soiling/crud that will loosen and float off.

Experiment first with conservation on expendable coins. Acetone is available at Walmart amongst other stores for about $1 for a 6 oz bottle.
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 Posted 10/23/2015  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joecontois to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the information Rackster! So what about using both acetone and verdicare? Is that sacrilegious, or is there an instance where one would use both?
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Well if ever there was a coin to experiment with cleaning that might be one . I found some circulated proofs before and I find usually all they need is warm water and a dish soap diluted and just let it sit for a couple seconds then pat dry. I have also found you can put some pressure on them depending on the towel you use to dry. I have a few microfiber towels that I used to use detailing cars they all have old car wax built into them even after they are washed. As long as nothing is stuck to the towel I have never left a mark. Now my disclaimer. I for one would never do this to a nice proof . Also I take no responsibility in any damage you might cause to a coin. Seriously though if you do want to try start light and little and then slowly see what you can get away with. At least then you will know amd you won't ruin anything worth a lot of money
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 Posted 10/24/2015  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joecontois to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the tips tweak
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Well I got myself some 100% acetone and gave it a whirl on some quarters I got today. One had green 'paint' all over it, and it all just came right off and turned the acetone green, leaving an entirely different looking quarter - nice and shiny. That was cool. It also helped remove some crud off other coins, but didn't do anything for stains, which I gather that you can't do much for stains. So, are soak times based on the concept of whatever works and doing the least amount of soaking that will get the job done? Also, is there a duration that would lead to damage? Thank you!
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 Posted 10/25/2015  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oober to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Proofs are out there, once got a box of halves that had over 60 clad bicentennials halves in it.
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 Posted 10/25/2015  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joecontois to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These 60 bicentennial halves all had S on them?
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My 2010 edition RedBook includes S coins in the uncirculated mints set years of 1980 and 1981 which would contradict the fact that S circulation strikes ended in 1974. Prior to 2005, uncirculated mint set coins are simply uncirculated examples of the same circulation strikes, so that would mean this book is in error, correct?
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Nevermind, I think I figured out why it says S. I think there were Susan B Anthony S coins in the unc sets of these two years. It just appears as if there are S coins in every denomination of unc sets at first glance. I thought maybe my cent was from one of these sets after seeing they had S that year, and given the look of my coin, but alas, this cent can only be from a proof set.
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It is unfortunate but due to thefts, coins are usually just dumped into coin counting machines. Criminals normally just don't care what they are as long as they get money for them.
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I didn't even think of that as being a reason for how these end up loose, thanks for pointing it out.
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