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Is Either Of These Tiberius?

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 Posted 11/10/2015  03:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought these two coins yesterday, from different sellers, but, as it happened, for the same price (300 rubles - a bit under $5).

Both sellers claimed that the coin they were selling to me was from the reign of Tiberius. I couldn't read enough legend to confirm on either, but at $5, I thought I could afford getting an example of what was in any case an actual ancient coin from that century.

My photos might make it hard to see even as much legend as I could (I suck at photographing very dark coins, and one of them being in a 2x2 didn't help either), but just in case, I want to ask this forum the question that worried me ever since the purchase: is either of these actually Tiberius?

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(All the glare is on the 2x2 plastic, incidentally.)
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 Posted 11/10/2015  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't tell much from the pictures, from what I can make out the first coin looks Roman Imperial and the second one looks Byzantine. I guess it's possible that the second one could be Maurice Tiberius but there is enough detail for me to say what either of them are.
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 Posted 11/10/2015  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first one is claudius I think. its ric 95 like mine?:

Coin: Bronze As
TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP - bare head left
CONSTANTIAE AVGVSTI S C - Constantia, helmeted and in military dress, standing left, holding long spear in left hand.
Mint: Hispania (41-50AD)
References: RIC 95


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Yes I agree Claudius but whether it is Spanish issue is unclear to me.
The second certainly looks Byzantine !
Although like most eastern coins I am stumped. I do recall that I had a Maurice Tiberius and blundered legends are common.
You should remove it from the holder if we are to have any chance at deciphering it.
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Actually, the second coin was supposed to be a "Tiberius 579-582", that is, Tiberius Constantine but I agree that Maurice Tiberius is more likely.
The (fragmentary) legend I'm seeing on obverse doesn't seem to fit either, or any emperor at all, but I might well be reading it incorrectly (or it might have been blundered in the first place); I agree that I probably should take the coin out of the holder. I don't like coins entombed in plastic anyway.

I agree that the reverse on the first coin is almost identical to the above example [on second thought, there are some minor differences - see below]. Obverse legend has to be set up differently - if that's a CAES above the portrait's head (which is possible though I'm seeing an O personally), the A is about where your coin's C is!
The more I look at my coin's obverse, the more I'm seeing a legend nearly identical to yours starting from CAES - but offset roughly 1-2 letters left. Looking at Wildwinds, this means that I have a RIC 111, which in any case fits the reverse (even) better.
So that's a Claudius. Which is probably cooler anyway, and in any case first century.
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