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Opinions Please. 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent PCGS AU-58 OGH CAC

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 Posted 11/21/2015  4:56 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Crouse27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Wondering if this coin might be fake.

Dealer bought it on ebay and left positive feedback. Even though there was a return policy when he purchased it, he reofferred and it sold at a $100+ loss just a few weeks later. Seems odd why would that happen? Did not bother asking dealer since that seems nosy.

First listing. $1402 on 10/4/2015
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-S-VDB-...p=true&rt=nc

Second listing. $1374 on 11/15/2015
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-S-VDB-...047675.l2557

PCGS 8410537
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 Posted 11/21/2015  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guessing he just needed some fast cash - got overextended. I seem to recall doing it once or twice myself.

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PS - If it was fake, he could have gotten all of his money back from PCGS.
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The area arounfd the 'S' looks disturbed, and it is the only area on the coin that looks to be disturbed.
For me, I would be discouraged from taking an interest despite it being TPG'ed.
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 Posted 11/22/2015  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a fail on the flip. Nice coin though.
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Quote:
Wondering if this coin might be fake.


I don't think so it is graded by a noted TPG.
I would presume the seller needed to get some money back and, took a small loss.
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Perhaps the dealer thought he had a buyer and bought it but the buyer backed out / already bought one somewhere else?
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The coin checks out at PCGS and also at CAC but would it be possible, considering the "S" looks suspicious, that the holder was tampered with and a fake coin substituted, or the entire coin and holder is fake? An OGH might make that more possible? How often can or does it happen? How would you know if the case was fake or tampered?

I doubt PCGS would accidentally certify a 1909 VDB with fake S added as genuine.
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 Posted 11/22/2015  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"oh a minor disturbance so it must be fake." No.

Pretty obvious how to tell if there's an added MM or if it's fake. It is 100% real.
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Absolutely agree. This is Die #3.
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I know there are a lot of fakes out there but I don't think anyone should jump to conclusions. Some people might buy a coin and if it isn't aesthetically pleasing to the eye in person they just may decide to sell and even perhaps try again until they get one more to their liking.
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 Posted 11/23/2015  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Centsei to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uh, that's a $28 loss, which is nothing if someone is doing a quick turnaround to raise money. And a nice looking coin.
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